« 'The Eighty Two Porkers Hanging in the Senate' | Main | Indictments in 'The Libby Rove MSM Spin'? »

Tuesday, October 25, 2005

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d8345191b869e200d8345ac46e69e2

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference The Incredulity of St. George Will (Extended Version):

» Give us this day our daily Miers from protein wisdom
Last evening I noted that Hugh Hewitt, in his rebuttal to George Wills critique of the Miers nomination, raised several serious questions aimed at those of us whove expressed particular concern over the nominees purported political... [Read More]

» School's Out: "Excellence" at Our Ivy League Schools from The League of David
I haven't been following the Harriet Miers fiasco because I've been busy with life, and Miers doesn't really matter. Honest. It might seem like it, but she's not that important. However, since gloomy Rod Dreher announced the coming of the [Read More]

» I cannot say enough.... from Media Lies
....about this wonderful post about Harriet Miers at All Things Beautiful. In particular, Alexandra highlights a letter from the Dean of ... [Read More]

» School's Out: "Excellence" at Our Ivy League Schools from The League of David
I haven't been following the Harriet Miers fiasco because I've been busy with life, and Miers doesn't really matter. Honest. It might seem like it, but she's not that important. However, since gloomy Rod Dreher announced the coming of the [Read More]

Comments

North by Northwest
Or will he in his turn feel resentful and betrayed and respond by trying to strike his own blow against the "traitors"?
I'm afraid resentful and betrayed. And yes, he'll want to strike back all right!

Consider it: Of all public decisions, this is surely the most personal! And what's much worse for Dubya both politically and personally, this is yet another first, much extended example of how this emerging media ecosystem, the 'Blogosphere', is capable of delivering painful, if not mortal blows hitherto unimaginable in political processes such as the Presidential Nomination of a Supreme Court Justice.

Actually, don't get me started on a rant about how revolutionary this whole affair actually is - I mean here we are, thousands of little political/economical nobodies, sitting in our respective abodes, expressing our views in completely unfettered and unchecked forcefulness. AND IT MATTERS; IT REACHES FAR AND WIDE; IT PENETRATES THE IVORY TOWERS EVERYWHERE.... And the argument, uttered by those who'd like to refute political blogs as insignificant, that 98% of the population won't read a single line, is of course utterly misconceived: First, their popularity and penetration is expanding continuously and second, journalists and members of the established media ecosystem/MSM do take note and are involved, thus influenced in their reporting, ergo reaching and influencing the population at large.

So, back to Dubya, and his emotional state: He's hurting. His wife is hurting. Most importantly, his mother is hurting. That's dangerous! Don't scoff, matriarch Barbara Bush matters, she being the equivalent to patriarch Joe Kennedy; she'll want blood, a là Lady Macbeth. I hope someone close keeps reminding Dubya that sound reason, not an emotional knee-jerk response, is the best recipe for making decisions. We shall see...

Kenny Pierce

NxN,

I ought to say here that I personally think the War on Terror does in fact trump domestic policy at this point, and also that one of the areas in which Dubya's performance had been stellar -- right up to the Miers nomination, at least -- is precisely in his revolutionizing the federal judiciary. On balance I approve of Dubya's performance and don't regret voting for him (for the first time ever) in the last election. And while I think Miers was an inappropriate choice, I don't necessarily think she's a bad choice (well, obviously she turns out politically to have been a disastrous choice, but politics are momentary and the Supreme Court is for life). My complaints are largely procedural rather than personal, and if Miers winds up on the bench it will cause me no apoplexy, much less apocalypse.

But then I'm not part of Dubya's base; so my approval or disapproval doesn't matter. It's the part of his base that he's ignored for the past several years that is his problem now. And it looks to me like that neglected part of his base is going to have its revenge. The question is, will Dubya understand why "his own" suddenly turned on him (not really suddenly, of course; it's been building for a long time) and will this rebellion force him to shift his domestic policy to the right on critical domestic issues? Or will he in his turn feel resentful and betrayed and respond by trying to strike his own blow against the "traitors"? The Rebel Alliance thinks this is their chance to force him to govern domestically as an actual Republican rather than as a "compassionate conservative," which phrase many of the cynics among us think means "someone who likes to give the Army something useful to do whenever possible, and doesn't like taxes, and is against abortion and for school prayer, but who in other respects is generally speaking a Democrat." If they're wrong, and if the end result of this is a long-running schism in conservative ranks, then...well, the Hillary years ought to be ver-r-r-y interesting.

North by Northwest

That kind of leadership ruins everything given time.

Even the inspired choices are ruined over time given that kind of lack of attention to detail. This is certainly been a lot of the critcism of the Bush administration. Delivering soundbite promises, dealing behind closed doors with whatever pet projects they were interested in at the time and letting the bureaucrats make the day-to-day calls on implementation. That's your perfect recipe for disaster. Unchecked bureaucracy....

North by Northwest

UTTERLY DEPRESSING

Kenny Pierce

NxN,

>
Now, Kenny, I am intrigued to know where in your opinion Bush has been "very non-conservative in ways that are significant to quite a large number of people in the big conservative tent".
>

Well, with the caveat that I'm giving other people's opinion on their behalf and without their permission (since I am myself much more squarely in the libertarian camp than in the conservative one and would therefore start with, "He hasn't called off the War on Drugs yet"), here's a quick list off the top of my head:

1. He never saw a spending bill he wouldn't sign. For that matter he never saw a bill he wouldn't sign, period. Literally. Alexandra's "porkers" picture is a great one. But consider that part of the function of the executive veto is to allow the man who has been elected by the entire country to step in and control the locally-partisan spending of the regionally elected Congressmen. This role -- historically more cherished by conservatives than by liberals -- has been absolutely abdicated by Dubya. If Alexandra can find a picture of George Bush in costume as Nero, complete with fiddle, as a herd of Porkers Rampant set fire to Rome in the background, she'll capture the sense of indignation many small-government conservatives feel regarding Bush's prodigal spending habits. (And if there's one person in the world capable of finding such a picture, it would be Alexandra...)

2. While we're on the subject of the President's inability to veto legislation no matter how appalling, let it be noted that this President signed McCain-Feingold...and did so, if I remember correctly (I may not), within a few days of saying that in his opinion McCain-Feingold violated Constitutional freedom of speech.

3. There aren't very many people living in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona or California who believe that George Bush has any interest at all in antagonizing the Hispanic vote by making any honest effort whatsoever to control illegal immigration from Mexico. You don't have to be Patrick "Aryan Nation" Buchanan to think that in the age of terrorists who aspire to nuclear jihad, sealing the borders so that people don't wander freely back and forth without our permission, would be relatively high on a genuinely "conservative" President's list of priorities. But do you know anybody who lists, "Took aggressive action to get control of our southern border," as one the accomplishments on Dubya's curriculum vitae to date?

4. This President's administration does not appear to be very motivated to put a stop to reverse racial or gender discrimination. (Harriet Miers in particular is taking heat -- whether fairly or not I can't tell -- for endorsing something resembling gender and racial quotas in the hiring of lawyers; and of course the Bush camp done little or nothing to dispel the idea that Bush made up his mind that men need not apply for this particular seat on the Supreme Court.)

5. On education -- which is critical to the health of a democracy and which we have been doing very badly indeed ever since the Baby Boomers got their hands on the wheel -- the guy is just a disaster. The whole conservative message on education has been for years, "Get the parents back into control instead of the bureaucrats and the National Education Association," but Bush comes in and announces that what our educational system needs is a historically unprecedented level of federal-government interference in your local kindergarten's attempts to give your kid an education. (Obviously this is, as well, yet another burr in the small-government-conservatives' communal saddle.)

How's that for starters?

Kenny Pierce

Alexandra,

I'm not sure that Will is wrong in that piece, but I'm quite sure that he's insufferable. That's not a man saying, "My opponents are mistaken and I am fortunate enough to be correct." That's a man saying, "My opponents are morons and I can use more big words per sentence than they can and you certainly don't want to disagree with me or I'll insult you too."

Will would probably complain that Olasky et al misrepresent his intent, and that his repeated use of the term "crude" was meant only to imply intellectual crudity (that is, crudity in the sense of lack of precision, not in the sense of vulgarity) and an inability to make those fine distinctions that, as G. K. Chesterton famously observed, are often flat contradictions. I actually have a great deal of sympathy for his emphasis on the process as a matter important in its own right, and I do think that the Miers defense has been very heavy on "she'll the vote the way we want" and very light on "when she produces her opinions they will be based on the Constitution rather than on Republican partisan axioms and platform planks." In particular the Bush team's defense of Miers has been the defense of people who think that as long as the conservative base thinks Miers will overturn Roe v. Wade they won't care what her reasoning is, even if her reasoning is "George Bush wants it overturned and I have to justify his trust in my loyalty."

But Will's rhetoric is itself so heavy-handed and, if I may put it this way, so crude, that it can hardly help but convince people that Will's intent is in fact pretty much what Olasky represents it to be, and that if Will tries to defend himself by parsing the term "crude," he'll just be adding hypocricy to his arrogance. When Olasky throws a fit about Will's supposed implication that evangelicals can't keep from farting in public or whatever, Will can say "that's not what I meant," but in truth, such an implication is pretty much faithful to the contemptuous, self-adoring, intellectually masturbatory tone of Will's column. This is a man who is writing a column to put hoi polloi in their proper place, which is to say, very far down the conservative banqueting table from The Intellectual Eminence That Is George Will.

Hell, I probably agree with Will's actual points, insofar as he has any point to make other than, "I'm much smarter than my opponents." But I don't walk away from his column saying, "Ah, yes, great minds do think alike." I walk away saying, "That man needs to be punched soundly and squarely in the nose."

I'll tell you one other impression that column made on me. It sounded very much like the writing of a man who secretly is afraid that there's somebody out there who can prove that a conclusion to which he has precipitately leapt, is in fact wrong; and who is therefore trying not to understand or to persuade his foes, but simply to intimidate them into silence. Most people who spend that much time carrying on about how obvious it is that they are right, and how anybody who disagrees with them is too stupid to deserve for anybody to waste time with their arguments, are people who very much don't want the undecided to hear their opponents' arguments. This piece is would-be intellectual intimidation from start to finish; it is meant to silence discussion, not to enhance it. And people who try to silence discussion, usually are people who are afraid of what would happen if other viewpoints besides their own were to be heard.

Is that what's going on in Will's column? Lordy, I don't know; I don't know the man; for all I know he's just self-impressed to a degree that borders on self-parody, and nothing else is going on there. There may be no fear at all; mere fatuous self-conceit may be the true explanation. All I'm trying to say is that, while Will clearly intended the column to make people think, "My God, that man's smart," my own instinctive reaction was, "My God, that man's scared."

North by Northwest

George - saw the picture. Interesting how they make him look 'respectable' over at the WaPo. But be that as it may, I was re-reading his article and couldn't help but admire his eloquence, his craft. Cold, measured and deadly precise; I mean of course in pursuing his chosen victim. But yet devoid of a soul - oops I nearly wrote "just like the picture"; how terribly judgmental of me, tsk tsk...

North by Northwest

Kenny, one thing seems certain, Bush certainly prefers to make 'gut' decisions. And as I have been saying repeatedly, that was the very qualtiy needed following 9/11 - and it was refreshing to see how in fact the checks and balances did work(!).

And staying with Churchill, clearly another example for a shrewd and buccaneering politician if ever there was one in the 20th century. History is only too often just interested in the results, and Bush clearly has set his marker in that department. Chancellor Helmuth Kohl virtually 'bought' East Germany and thus achieved the reunification in record time, thereby largely crippling German economy to this very day. 10-25 years from now however, he'll be heralded a great statesman and visionary (and the fact that he was more or less booted out of power when the short term pain grew too hard to stomach will be relegated to tiny footnotes - and that is how it should be...). So, I guess that's the added problem: short-termism.
It will take a lot of luck, but IMHO, Bush has actually a real chance to reap some of the glory of his actions during his lifetime....

Which brings me back to Miers: I of course can't say with any kind of certainty, but I believe, that Miers will come through as one of those success stories for which Bush will rightfully receive a lot of praise in years to come.

Now, Kenny, I am intrigued to know where in your opinion Bush has been "very non-conservative in ways that are significant to quite a large number of people in the big conservative tent".

Alexandra

Kenny,
My original intent was that George Will was Doubting Thomas, and Miers a Christ like figure. She is being poked around, probed and tested with St.George being the lead protagonist, and the onlookers are the disciples that attempt to explain to Thomas the truth, but he remains unconvinced.
I am not however saying that she is a holier than thou figure, it's simply an analogy, that by default places her in that position.
But Kenny, whilst you are on I am very interested in what you think about George Will's comments or should I say insults, regarding the religious aspect of the choice.

George Berryman

Hey there Alexandra. That George F. Will picture... I wanted to try and find something with a little color in it. Found that one off of a UK site. For anyone curious it is extremely hard to find a picture of Will where he's smiling. I find that oddly telling.

Kenny Pierce

Alexandra,

So, I was just playing with the implications of your choice of Doubting Thomas as the analog for the anti-Miers crew. Do you intend your analogy to extend to the identification of Bush with Christ? (Merely a point of curiosity; not taking a position on whether that would be a good or bad identification.) Or would you instead slot Bush into the role of "disciples who tried to tell Thomas the truth about Jesus but Thomas wouldn't trust them" (which would seem to push Harriet herself down the road to Christlike-figure status)?

Kenny Pierce

NxN,

>
I think that after a few moments of such reflection, it must appear to be a sound nomination by all reasonable accounts
>

See, that's precisely what has caused the split. There are many different perspectives that are accustomed to being labeled "conservative" just because all those perspectives agree that government by the Democratic Party is A Very Bad Thing. But to be a small-government anti-immigration conservative with a deep distrust for the Religious Right, is to be something very different from, say, James Dobson.

Hugh Hewitt had a post awhile back in which he reacted to someone's saying that Bush wasn't a conservative by blustering about how that was "like saying Winston Churchill wasn't a conservative because all he did was beat Hitler." That said very little about President Bush, but it said a very great deal indeed about Hugh: it told you which parts of "conservativism" Hugh considers to be The Really Important Parts. If Bush has come up to snuff on the elements of conservatism that somebody personally happens to think are The Really Important Parts of conservatism, then he almost certainly trusts Bush, he almost certainly supports this election, and he is very likely to find it "unreasonable" for other conservatives to disagree.

But Bush has been very non-conservative in ways that are significant to quite a large number of people in the big conservative tent. I think myself it was a major mistake for him to expect conservatives in general (rather than those conservatives whom he has genuinely made happy) to go along with whomever the hell he decided to nominate on the grounds that Father Knows Best.

In a word, if you consider the President's conservative credentials to be up to snuff, then that places you as a certain kind of conservative, whose definition of "conservative" would be rejected by a significant number of self-described conservatives. (I think that "significant number" is still a minority, but it is a significant minority, and the President was an ass to have had no better plan for pacifying that minority than he seems to have had going into this process.)

North by Northwest

If only it was so easy for the doubtful in the case of Miers... Much more difficult to get to know Miers' position than to poke your finger in the flesh.

All the more reason to reflect on (1) are the President's conservative 'credentials' up to scratch (how does he want his nominee to act for the next 10-20 years; what does he hold dear; what values does he like to see upheld) and (2) how well does he know Miers. I think that after a few moments of such reflection, it must appear to be a sound nomination by all reasonable accounts.

The soundbite 'Trust Me' may well be like a red rag to a bull, but ultimately, will always be the bottom line. That, it seems to me, is the very nature of the current procedure; the way Supreme Court Justices are being nominated. Maybe it is time to address that very procedure as inadequate and begin making suggestions as to what alternative procedures should be considered.

Semanticleo

I have reservations about the qualifications of Ms Miers, but am even more disinclined to agree with Will's sentiments based on a byte from the past.

George Will is the stuffed moosehead that looms out over the patrons at your local saloon.

He’s the one that originated the idea of brother/sister marriage between press and gov't, hiring himself out to the GOP to prepare Reagan for the debates with Jimmy Carter.

We have him to thank for breaking ground in the incestuous relationship between the Washington Press Corps that, hopefully has reached it’s zenith in Judith Miller, and the hacks in WH and the Hill. He should be relegated to snarking because he is the Bullwinkle of B>S. Let the imperious little twit spend the rest of his overblown talent writing his memoirs from the island of Elba.

lilly

Wonderful! What a fantastic choice of painting. A picture that speaks a thousand words. I find all the visuals on this blog are so incredible. Very impressive.

As for Miers, she's in whether they like it or not!

The comments to this entry are closed.

Contributing Writer



The 2006 Weblog Awards Side_bar_quotes13288.gif



www www.allthingsbeautiful.com

Previous Posts


'Show Me The Bodies'

A World Apart

The Race For Souls

'Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid'....Eh?

Lost In Translation

Thug-In-Chief Ahmadinejad Caught Red-Handed

Hope In Fear

Playing The Board

UN's Fine Men Of Distinction

We Are All Jews Now Part II

Iran's Promise: 'Evolution From Life To Death'

Welcome To The Middle East, Israel

What If...

The 'Moral Equivalence Brigade' Reign Supreme

'Grapes Of Wrath' Revisited

Orwellian Moral Universe On Shabbat Hazon

Commander-In-Chief From Hell

'Can We Get Over It Already?' We Are All Jews Now

'Hezbollah Runs Lebanon' And 'Hamas Ready To Cut A Deal'

One Foot In Terror One Foot In Politics

UN's Global Mission: Reviving, Spreading And Fueling Rabid Anti-Semitism

The Devil's Arithmetic Part II

The Devil's Arithmetic Part I

Valerie 'Flame' Wilson Files 'Double Exposure' Suit

Pallywood Does Not Recognize Israel

Israel Cannot Succeed By Empowering Terrorists

The Middle Finger Salute To The 'Bush Lied People Died' Hysterics

Does Society Set The Standard For God's Law (BUMPED UP)

Codifying The Sanctity Of Marriage

Restoring Humility To Our National Psyche In The Face Of Nihilism

Big Love

What Does Iran Really Want

Out Of Time Part II

The Gospel Of Judas

The Waiting Bush Out Policy

Are Atheists America's Most Distrusted Minority?

The Myth Of Palestine Part II

What Do The Democrats Believe?

Powered by TypePad Pro

Favorite Blogs

...

 

American_Flag_blog3

I am a Proud Friend of Israel

Pajamas Media

Hugh Hewitt

Michelle Malkin

Power Line

little green footballs

Roger L. Simon

Ed Driscol

Instapundit

The Volokh Conspiracy

Regime Change Iran

The 101st Fighting Keyboardists

Power Line News

Stop the ACLU

Blogs For Condi

American Flag

GOP Bloggers

Blogs For Bush



The Cotillion