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Naresh M

I read somewhere in the discussions above that the Hindus in India were burning down Muslims and their mosques.

A SUGGESTION HERE IS TO ALL TO UPDATE THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

- Can you point to a single incident which says that the Hindus burned muslims and their mosques. I can give you numerous incidents each and every one of them right from 1947 (India's Indepenedence) upto 2006.

- Do you know that India is the only country which provides a Haj Subsidy to the Muslimerables. The number goes to around 100,000 Haj Subsidies a year !!! The native Hindus on the other hand have to pay taxes to the government for going to Amarnath and other Yatras !

- WTF you say that Hindus are killing muslims. If you go through the history (not the history given out by the asshole british historians but the ones certified by MIT and Purdue), you will be able to note down that it was the Hindus who have taken the most damage of the Muslim brutality.

- The Hindus in India are still made to listen to the shoutings of Allah 7 to 9 times a day even when the Supreme Court (the highest court in India) has put a ban on use of loudspeakers from 6am to 9pm???

- The Muslims in India are the ones who are terrorizing Hindus. Even the Indian Army has to send 2 batallions to raid the houses of Muslims in Hyderabad because they are harbouring Pakistani trained ISI terrorist?

- Do you know that the Muslim population in India has officially gone upto 22%? The Bangladeshi infiltration is not calculated in that statistic.

Just get your figures right mister. I know the Indian English Media has support of the Muslim Money flowing from Saudi Arab and other muslim countries.

Do Visit the following site to increase your knowledge. Increase your knowledge and then talk.

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/

Naresh

- The Hindu empire was upto Afghanistan and other parts of Asia

Alexandra

Premjit,

You are right. Jay At Stop The ACLU made a mistake, and I have now corrected it. I shall let him know. Thanks for the correction.

Alexandra

Raj,

In case you pressed the wrong button and commented on The Secular Democracy post instead of here, I will repeat what I said to you there:
"Raj my friend I have a lot of Indian friends, and I remember this incident only too well. It was 2002 if I remember correctly. What a horrific story, mostly women, no?
It's worthwhile to sit and think about that for a moment: 52 people, my God. Burning alive...
Post this comment on yesterday's post on that girl who got torched, I would like the readers to see it. Thanks."

spiritofectasy

at OSM thread

Alexandra

Thanks Jessie, I just posted the latest one. I always hope that everyone understands what I am trying to say through the visuals. Some I guess are more obvious than others.

jess1dering

One more thing! If you are not on board with Pajamas Media in the near future I will be sorely disappointed. The visuals and the sensitive, thoughtful, very human (in the best sense of the word) commentary found here are absolutely a priceless delight in my life.

jess1dering

Alexandra, If I were to fully accept it as a scare tactic, I'd have to suppose that one rogue, extremist employee saw my e-mail and went to work trying to intimidate me for a few days.. That radio station has less than ZERO interest in me. Certainly CAIR couldn't care less ( tee-hee ). The very things that you pointed out though, Alexandra , the demanding, insistent , bombarding nature of the communication was what left me feeling unsettled. And, with each new e-mail , a bit more unsettled. I don't scare easily and I suspect the same is true of you. I did find it curious and as I keep saying, unsettling. I'm glad you didn't laugh me out of countenance. I feel quite certain that in the words of old FDR., "...we have nothing to fear but fear itself..." Water seeks it's own level and you are surrounded by truth-telling souls like yourself. It would be like trying to put a lake in a thimble for them to try to damage the free speech factor in the blogosphere, don't you think? ( say yes, okay?) LOL! I look forward to some male perspective on this , don't you? If the earth rumbles in the next few moments, it's only good old me not quite having made it across the room to my bed before dropping.

Alexandra

Well I get it.

The element of obsessional behavior is evident in the barrage of incessant bombarding. It is absolutely typical of the educational system, and the fingerprints are evident. The pressure of asking a question a thousand times, until perhaps you break or need psychotherapy, or better still storm into the radio station, and get followed home.

All I can say to that story is "thank God for small mercies". You were lucky there.

As far as the coincidence theory, I would say ZERO CHANCE.

I better fasten my seat belt, and lock my doors, because my comments are far from mild. As for my friend Siggy (Sigmund Carl & Alfred), she probably needs to jam that couch in front of her door. LOL!

jess1dering

Posts like that post-o-mine could be a new form of puzzler for the local news-paper. The challenge? Try to figure out what the heck the post is saying, or TRYING to say. I'm having a good, giddy laugh at myself.

jess1dering

Alexandra, I am EXHAUSTED! If you can decipher that last loop-de-loop post of mine , God bless you !

jess1dering

Well, (notice all the prodding necessary, Alexandra?), I started getting e-mails. I opened none of them. They read, "....JESS who ARE you!!..." The next one, "....jess WHO are YOU?!!.." and on and on like that for days. Finally they just stopped coming. I had registered a "complaint" in the form of an e-mail with the radio station that fired one of it's talk show hosts over statements about Radical Islam. The radio station was apparently innundated with complaints. Most felt that the outpouring was mobilized by CAIR. I don't know. I simply objected to the firing and suggested that perhaps CAIR might consider applying some of it's efforts toward denouncing the very terror that the radio host was talking about. Not very diplomatic, I suppose..I have lapses. It WAS sincere. Anyway, I provided my e-mail address when registering afore-mentioned complaint on my return address , so to speak.. . I dismissed it as co-incidence just because that was most comfortable . What do you think ?

Alexandra

Come on Jess, we have to know now....

jess1dering

I have wondered if perhaps there isn't a bit of fear for personal safety, even if only at that mysterious sub-conscious level , among many MSM commentators and journalists in regards to reporting on Arab/Islamic Terrorists . If a journalist has spent enough time in the profession to become well established then certainly their experience and memory easily reaches back far enough to re-conjur Salmon Rushdie's Terror Nightmare. Or the horror of those first reports about precious Daniel Pearl and his unspeakable meeting with Terror. We know that Muslims are here among us in fairly large numbers and that they exert considerable influence, but we don't QUITE know how much influence. And in general we don't know how to tell the difference between the good 'uns and the bad 'uns. Again, perhaps to some degree, this politically correct caution is an attempt to insure self against being branded an enemy of Islam. Not consciously, because we can intellectualize away any such nonsence. But those images in our minds, those memories; they are powerful. Could those images impact the human psyche in any way other than to inspire some form of fear? In contrast, it's easy to hate George Bush and shout it from the roof tops. He's just not the sinister, murderous type. :) The worst he's ever going to do to you is....what ?? PRAY for you? No, wait! Scowl at you. That's it! . I would tell you a little story about registering a mild complaint and directing some gentle , constructive criticism in the direction of CAIR, but if I did you'd wonder if I were ... let's just say we don't know each other well enough yet.:)

Kenny Pierce

I am stealing somebody else's point and would give them credit if I could remember from whom I'm plagiarizing...but Muslims represent a small percentage of the world's population, yet are involved in a majority of the world's current conflicts that involve deadly violence. What's more, Arabs represent only about 5% of the world's population and less than half the world's Muslim population -- yet where you find Muslims murdering others in the name of religion (which is in half a hundred places scattered hither and yon across the globe) the odds are overwhelming that Arabs will be the ringleaders, even when the movement is locally staffed primarily by indigenous recruits.

I think it would have been fair to say during the time of Torquemada that, even though there were lots of Christians in Europe who were nice people, still Spanish Catholicism had major problems (dire negative consequences of which continue to be experienced to this very day by people from the Rio Grande to Tierra del Fuego), and those problems manifested themselves in ways that were not just foolish or illiberal, but downright evil. It is absolutely fair to say that Arab Islam has major problems, and those problems manifest themselves in ways that are not just foolish or illiberal, but downright evil. Modern-day Christianity still has the occasional random murderer who'll gun down an abortionist, but there simply is no significant organized international Christian terrorist movement. There absolutely is a thriving, murderous, organized international Muslim terrorist movement. Empirically speaking, every major religion in the world is much more a religion of peace than is Islam -- even if an idealist could argue that "true" Islam is not represented by terrorists any more than "true" Christianity was represented in the Fifth Crusade's sack of Byzantium.

This is especially true since, outside of Ireland, if you show me a non-Muslim religious group that is killing other people in the name of religion, odds are I'll be able to show you the Muslims on the other side that are trying to kill the folks in your bad-example group. In the modern-day world outside of Ireland, religious conflict is very unlikely to turn bloody -- unless Muslims are involved.

You can say that and still greatly admire individual Muslims (like my Arab friends Naj and Samiha and Nidal) and even entire Muslim cultures (like the Kazakhs and the Kurds). But I think realistically you just have to agree that modern-day Islam has a problem of lending itself to violence and hatred to a degree far beyond any other major present-day religion -- however great the problems other religions might have had in the past.

North by Northwest

Granted Jim!

Your word of caution is an important reminder, although, it seems to me, that in this instance, Alexandra is making an equally valid, and given the context, authentic point.

You see, this isn't a general accusation of the French MSM. This is a specific incident, which in all likelihood would have been downplayed for fear of aggravating a lawless mob at the expense of the otherwise more than justified collective public outcry. As soon as that happens, reporting degrades to a form of propaganda and ceases to serve as a fair and balanced voice.

I am certain, that you'd agree with me, that there is no merit in debating varying degrees of urgency based on the number of deaths, casualties and/or victims. As such, the fate of this girl matters greatly. And it matters particular, how her immediate community responds. Nothing else than collective outcry and unanimous and unilateral condemnation will do. Of course we don't know what their reaction was. But, if the MSM were to have chosen to mute this story for fear of antagonizing members of this very community, and if such consideration were in fact justified, than we are compelled to draw analogies to ordinary Germans' inactivity and passive condonation with regards to the fate of German Jews during the third Reich. And, historians have been tireless in assigning plenty of collective guilt, rightly so!

Therefore, this incident does NOT qualify as yet another individual tragedy, which can be tagged: "as horrific and deplorable as this may be, it's ultimately part of men's daily acts of evil; it does not carry greater significance other than the obvious."

The criticism, or to put it more bluntly, the indictment of the French Muslim community at large stands, if it fails to unequivocally condemn this heinous act. This is what we'd expect to see from secular communities, and, as collective reactions to almost all violent crimes have shown, this is indeed how our communities steadfastly respond.

Your warning is justified if Alexandra had issued a call-to-arms; demanding retributions against Muslims... But she doesn't. Our secular societies hardly ever do. We are at pains to constantly remind the Islamic world that this isn't directed at peace-loving Muslims going about their own business. This is directed against the political extremists, who have hijacked a religion and perverted it's teachings so as to achieve its militaristic, expansive goals. Appease them, and you assist the fortification of another Taliban-style culture. Not one Christian faction, no matter how extremist, pursues even remotely comparable ideologies. As easily as the term 'crusade' is applied, as humongous is its abuse in any contemporary context. Go and watch 'Kingdom of Heaven' to remind yourself - and don't tell me our effort in Iraq has even the slightest resemblance....

spiritofecstasy

Can't find a "rare" newsclip from yesterday where a young woman sued so as NOT to wear a hijab at a Muslim school. She won. I can't remember which country though I think it was Nordic.

If anyone finds it, post it here please.

spiritofecstasy

I wonder what of the politics of the young woman. What did She think? Was she "devotely" Muslim? Did she think other things unspoken? Could she think of anything else when multiple threats were made against her, by deception, since she was a child? Did she think of anything else besides the repetitive list of theocratic explanations for everything. Explanations which are USED AFTER AND BEFORE EVERY ISLAMIC TORTURE AND TAKING OF LIFE?

Did she qualify the actions of Muslims with that same ideological dread list? Did she promote "the cause" by calling guerilla warfare against civilians an "insurgency?" Maybe she wanted to be a reporter or a spokesperson. Did she think that hatred for women was sanctioned by some prophet and some book because women are so unlike men? Did she think circumcision served a higher power?

Maybe she was a capitalist. Free markets. Take an opportunity, work at it, take your chances without the knife and the callouses on the forehead. Maybe she was confused about France and the lack of demands toward the Muslim immigrant community. Is Sharia law within a Democratic country any different than Sharia law in a Theocratic country? Did she see it as the same type world from whence her parents came?

We all know that Islam is a religion of peace. We all know that dreadful abberations occur in all places under all systems though such aggression may not be inherently promoted by all systems, everyday, five times a day or more.

WHAT WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT IS; WHY SO MANY MOUTHS FROM PARIS TO RIYADH TO WASHINGTON TO LONDON TO GAZA TO TEHRAN TO BESLAN ALL PRETEND THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON?

If she had a choice today what side would she take?

George Berryman

The Religion of Peace rolled along today as well bombing two mosques in Iraq and killing over 70.

Jim R

I agree that this is a horrific, despicable act. However, I don't think the French MSM is any more or less culpable in this situation then in any other. There are so many despicable acts of violence against women all over the world that any one is just a drop in the bucket. Women are immolated in India when their husband die, for no other reason then the husband is dead. I can’t even begin to express the horrible acts of genital mutilation in Africa. Even in America, domestic violence is swept under the rug. It is easy to pick a few stories and use them to magnify and demonize what we see as the problems of another culture.

I think that most religions have used “God’s Will” as an excuse to do violence against others. The Catholics did it during the inquisition. The puritans did it against the Native Americans during the settling of America in the 17th century, I don’t think I need to mention the conflicts in Ireland. And these are just a few examples. Do we blame the media for the violence? No. We also should not blame an entire religion for the offenses of a few.

You mention the Muslims burning the church in India, but you do not mention the Hindus attacking the Muslims and burning a Mosque. It is way to easy to over simplify strife like this.

Understand, I am in no way defending the act. Not am I defending extremists anywhere. In fact, I seem to see more parallels in the extremists in any religion. There are extremist Christians too. Just look at Pat Robertson’s claim that “we should go ahead and do it” – assassinate Hugo Chavez. I am glad the MSM picked that up and forced him to back peddle.

There are thousands of violent acts that are not picked up by the media. I think you need to be careful about how you choose one and use it to criticize many cultures at once.
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