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jess1dering

http://www.anncoulter.org/cgi-local/welcome.cgi Did anybody see thai GREAT NEWS ?

Alexandra

Thanks Buddy, brilliant.
I posted a comment on the Yarg blog on "Are They Out of Their Minds". Another incredible story not to be missed.

Buddy Larsen

Hi, Alexandra. Wrt the topic, you may want to read this.

Stefan

RC,
Thanks for the thought but...no chance there :-)

RC

Stefan, are you familiar with the music of Fernando Ortega ?

www.justforcatholics.org

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discoveryseries.org/q0603

Heaven is a free gift.
(the "scandal" of God's amazing grace)

"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is
eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Romans 6:23

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Stefan

This is a very difficult issue for me as a Catholic and I will try to be concise. It is hard to express the humiliation, anger, and sadness that Catholics felt with the abuse scandal. However, there are some important things that must be accounted for. The percentage of priests that were offenders is about the same as it is for Protestant denominations and below that of the general population. Most of these offending priests have been either defrocked, sent to prison, or have long retired. They were primarily formed in the late 1960’s and early ‘70’s in the midst of the cultural turmoil of the times and in the time after Vatican II when many liberal Catholics were militantly attempting to hi-jack and interpret the Council’s reforms to fit their own radical sexual ethics. There were many seminaries that were run by wackos who nurtured and encouraged a homosexual sub-culture (know by the unaffectionate title of the “Lavender Mafia”). There is one more thing to add to this. Until the 1970’s and 1980’s no one talked about sexual abuse of minors anywhere in this country. The cutting edge psychological diagnosis of these offenders was that they just needed some treatment and they would straighten out and it was not taken that seriously. This widely held professional opinion was followed by many Church leaders and these priests were often given “clean bills of health” and re-admitted to ministry. Now, these are not excuses but they are vitally important as a context. There was a crushingly tragic amount of “looking the other way” done and scandalous mismanagement of these dangerous and destructive people and there is plenty of very serious blame to go around with many Church leaders to be sure. The question is now what do we do? Besides the new rules and the much needed reform of the seminaries in the USA how does the Church make amends? The bankrupting of dioceses is heart breaking and does not seem appropriate for the reason that so many of the faithful are being punished because of the terrible mistakes of some of their leaders. Many people have smelled blood in the water and are coming for a piece of meat. Liberals have been spewing some of the most vile, hateful, and venomous attacks on the Church using the scandal as a vehicle for old grudges. Organizations like S.N.A.P and Voices of the Faithful flatly refuse to ever be satisfied and have become MSM darlings. Please don’t accuse me of not feeling sorry enough for the suffering of the victims because that flat out false. I am just struggling to find a balance between fair recompense for the victims and fairness for the innocent Catholics (and the vast majority of priests and bishops by the way) who are collateral damage in these massive settlements. Contrary to popular myth the Church is not "made of money". I don’t know what to think about the shield law and I totally understand the passion for justice that people (like you Alexandria) feel on this subject. I also share this passion for justice but yet I want to protect my Church from predatory lawyers and prosecutors. This is not to let incompetent leaders of the hook but because I love the Church and know how much tremendous work she does and what she stands for. Many liberals see the Catholic Church as the strongest and most unified voice against their cultural agenda and they have used this awful scandal to push relentlessly and unscrupulously to destroy it. I remain torn on this topic. Sorry so long…..:-/.

Buddy Larsen

Your illo is unusually powerful--and disturbing, as it should be.

Buddy Larsen

Alexandra, the topic is a 'back-burner' in the rush of events, but there is nothing more important than extracting the world's young from the hedonic swamp of solipsism that the world's shucking-off of "excess" judgementalism has thrown so many of them into.

RC

God Bless Larry Lessig.
He is a genuine American hero.

nsopr.gov

sharedhope.org
ecpatusa.org
childhelpusa.org
preventchildabuse.org

"Betrayal: The Crisis in the catholic church"
by The Boston Globe

Liqud

It's just a good day when anything is done for the protection of little children! Thanks Alexandra for sharing your post and these articles on the subject. I didn't know this about New Jersey. I really don't understand the "sickness" of pedophilia because I can only label it a 'premeditated sexual choice of perverted evil' since the individual which has these tendencies manipulates and targets a child by opportunity or by cunning predatory skills, but I wanted to ask anyone here, what really are the statistics of the possiblity for change? How many pedos really ever do change? What are the statistics of the number of victims they take in a lifetime? And do the churches really think a moral intervention can help overcome the desire of such vile perversion by allowing it asylum? Isn't saving one's skin useless if you lose one's soul? What has or does the church really do for the individuals that have been caught in these actsthe ? Do they send them to remote places like Alaska? I would think that "shining the light" on the problem would be the beginning of the answer. The reality is though that you can find these creeps anywhere. They could be your neighbor. It's just so despairing when we realise it has surfaced in environments that we trust and deem safe, but why do certain people or certain institutions tolerate the intolerable? Where is our backbone concering this subject? The law of the land should continue to do more about children's rights even if that child cannot speak out until it feels safe inside it's own adult body. What is the final solution until then for our children besides complete separation from these monsters? Because the more you read about these horrible cases, the more, if you have children, should definately learn what your state does or doesn't do in accordance to the law in the protection of our sons and daughters. We can't be with our children 24/7 sometimes and when we can't, we want to be able to trust those that we put them into the care of. When that trust breaks down...we feel betrayed on all levels! I know I have asked more questions here than anything, but God bless men like Larry Lessig that are working to search for the tools that help guard our most precious gifts from God!

sigmund, carl and alfred

With sincere respect to David, my remarks were addressed to those who violate the law, period, whether gay or homosexual (the nuances of which are lost to many).

My remarks were addressed to the reality of political gay agendas, some of which David may or may not agree with, that look to obscure the differences between gay and homosexual proclivities.

In the same way that straights are excoriated for criminial behavior, regardless of the rainbow of sexual proclivities that they might partake, so it should be for homosexuals.

Alexandra

David,

You are unfortunately right on both counts.

The victory is one for the future protection of our children, and may not help John Hardwicke's present case per say. Well not directly, indirectly, only The Professor would know.

Your second point, I am afraid the word "gay" we lost long time ago. It kinda went away, along with "stoned" for being intoxicated (during our parents' generation...)

David

A couple of quick observations:

While the news that NJ has now made charitable institutions liable for due dilligence in hiring practices, etc., by holding them to the same standards of liability in business as other organizations, this _may_ not affect past practices of The American Boychoir School. *sigh* Ex post facto...

Second, an aside to sigmund, carl and alfred: Must we participate in the pejoration of the word "gay"? Although sometimes melancholy, often phlegmatic, I am frequently gay. And so, I imagine, it likely is with people whose sexual preferences and lifestyle are homosexual. While the numbers of homosexual pedophiles may be rather large as a percentage of pedophiles, I seriously doubt there are very many gay pedophiles. Most homosexual pedophiles are quite probably extremely NOT gay, but seriously troubled, sick or even outright evil.

If there were a "gay community" then surely it would be comprised of people who are habitually "showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry" instead of peopled by the sorts one normally sees represented by the media as a part of "the gay comminuty" who are anything BUT gay, simply homosexual.

Pursuing this to its *reductio ad absurdum* (as if "gay community" as used by the media were not example enough in itself :-), should NAMBLA be allowed to refer to its members as "Boy Scouts"?

Oops. Maybe that was a bad example...

sigmund, carl and alfred

After reading this, and your other posts on the subject, a thought occured to me- if the school were a religious institution, they would be pursued relentlessly by the media. Inasmuch as they aren't, I can only attribute the reluctance to do just that is out of media fear of being regarded as 'homophobic'.

'Pedophelia' is comitted by anonymous, no name predators of children.

When the predators are 'somebody' in the community, with a reputation and standing, well, the media backs off, for fear of the repurcussions from the gay community that cannot tolerate anything that might put them in a poor light or might seem 'abnormal'.

This kind of behavior isn't exclusive to the organized gay community.

The American media ignored Charles Lindbugh's anti semitism and his appreciation of the Nazi party and Adolph Hitler. The Brits ignored King Edward VIII (who later abdicated the throne) and his admiration for the Nazis- and his efforts to support Nazi endeavors.

In the free marketplace of ideas and thoughts, when it comes to matters you describe, the MSM is in where it has placed itself- in the gutters of deceit, of which they are so familiar.

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