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Huan

the islamists want to make this a clash of civilization, between the Muslim world and the west. If we accept and embrace this depiction, which is not universally held regardless of how one interpret the Koran, then the inevitable solution and definitive conclusion to the "clash" is total war with either elimination or sujugation of the Muslim world.

acceptable?

David

As far as I'm concerned, the entire "Religion of Peace" meme is impeached by the life of its "prophet"--the lying thug, Mohammed. All that's needed is to point out that for the entire lifespan of this cult, the _normative_ practice of those who _remain true_ to the life of their "prophet" truly emulate the example he set at Medina, where he conquered by lying to the Jews there to obtain their surrender, then raping, murdering and enslaving those who tendered their surrender.

Mohammed was a savage thug whose example deserves absolutely no respect from any civilized human being under any circumstances. Those who faithfully follow his example are still savage, murdering, barbarous thugs. And those who act as apologists for the cult he founded are simply lying.

IF Islam were ever to truly become a religion of peace, of respect for human rights, it would have to begin by repudiating Mohammed. Until that happens, I have no respect for ANY of its adherents. They are either thugs or apologists for thugs, no matter how they couch their words.

Dumb Ox

On Charlie Hebdo, point well-taken. I've hated that rag since 1978... Makes my stomach turn at the kiosks. I have a subsequent post discussing their actual motives in posting that new Mohammed cartoon: they are anarcho-communist pervs, basically, and happy to sow disorder. It's their stock and trade...

Thanks for the reply,
D. Ox

Paul of York

Thank you Alexandra, what a tolerant person!

Liquid: I'm on my way over there, thank you.

Huan

there is nothing wrong with cherry picking your religion to be a moderate, especially if what you leave out are the violent parts. but then i am not religious and see nothing wrong with this.

Liquid

Paul, you should read some of my comments here, there isn't a one without a typo or something.HA HA...I am either half asleep or too in a hurry to proof read. I figure since there are so many educated people reading that they can surely have trained eyes to ride over the mistakes.

As far as Islam, I know alot of people might not agree with everything Craig Winn has on his site, but seriously, for any newbie to what the quran is all about, I suggest you check out The Prophet of doom, because it's written in a way that anyone can comprehend. It's a good place to start.
www.prophetofdoom.net

Alexandra

Dumb Ox,
Not sure what you mean I did not give you credit:

Consider the fact that any citizen, even leaders in these societies, who says anything that Muslims don't like, is marked for death."

Links to your site, and your link tells the story.

For me, I only linked at all because it's coming from YOU otherwise Charlie Hebdo does not get my time of day, regardless of circumstance. Don't forget I am European, spend quality time every year in France, and unfortunately all too familiar with their publication.

Nasty_Ninety

Despite the outrage that people of the USA had over 9-11-2001 the people of the United States have gone back to sleep at the lullaby that has been sung to them. The lullaby has the lyrics of “Islam is a Religion of Peace and it has been hijacked”. Perhaps the singers of such songs really believe the lyrics of this song. It’s a delusion and the singers of this song do not know that the creator of Islam was a savage. He slaughtered even elderly people who made fun of him… or the very young without the slightest pang of conscience. It’s time that this dispensation of ignorance concerning Islam comes to an end and those in power cease reveling in the kissing of the ass of savages who promote this sort of murderous doctrine. They are like King Hezekiah (in the Bible) who showed the treasury of Israel to her enemies and was told by God that what he had done was going to cause their enemies to attack in the future. He repented half-heartedly thinking to himself that things would be good for him in his lifetime. He could care less about those who were alive after he was dead.

Alexandra

Paul,

What a wonderful thing to say, thank you. But please don't stop simply commenting, you are always on the button when you do, and we do want to hear what you have to say.

Paul of York

I think what I should do, at the risk of incurring the derision of your true commenters, is once a month or so, just tell you that I agree with everything you say, just to let you know I'm a visitor.
I can tell you that because so far I do and it takes some time to digest what you've said and realize it. It is not necessary anymore, to come here with the hope of commenting; I'm coming here to learn and it would be ill-mannered to say after each of your posts something like, "great post, perfectly said, outstanding, I agree with everything you said," when once a month or so should do it. Though even your commenters are quite something and make one feel poorly educated. (Which I am)
I suppose it's a way of saying thanks. Used a lot of words to say it, didn't I?

RL

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Dumb Ox

Dear Alexandra,

There's a great deal of confusion indeed surrounding this episode that may go down in history side by side the iconoclastic controversy of the middle ages in the Eastern Empire.

I sort some of it out in a new post:

http://thomistic.blogspot.com/2006/02/cant-we-all-just-get-along.html

A bit disappointed that you didn't give credit for the link you put to our blog with the NEW French comic... sniff, sniff. It was an exclusive in all of the America's as the first picture and English translation...

http://thomistic.blogspot.com/2006/02/french-mohammed-cartoon-reprint.html

All the best,
D. Ox

JasonP

That was a wonderful summary that leaves little more to be said. So I’ll say just a little.

Moderates like Teheri cherry pick the exceptions from Mohammad’s life. He obviously didn’t refer to Mohammad’s reign of terror where he had critics assassinated (an elderly critic and a poetess.) Thus, moderates can’t fight Islam on its own terms. The texts are on the side of the fundamentalists.

People miss the fact that the cartoons are true. Mohammad was a violent man who plundered caravans, slaughtered opponents, conquered and oppressed. He ethnically cleansed Medina of Jews. Thus, Islam, as an ideology, should be vilified and condemned as much as secular totalitarian ideologies of the 20th century. And mockery is just as appropriate as it was against the founders of secular ideologies. But I don’t expect we’ll see anything like Charles Chaplin’s “Little Dictator” any time soon.

Huan

There is an Islamist agenda driving the current demonstrations over the cartoons. If the moderate and more enlightened Muslims do not rise up and speak out, they will lose the religion of Islam to fundamentalists' perversion. In a way, this is similar to how the Nazi took power while the moderate Germans dismiss them as amateurs and inconsequential. Before too long, they were either forced into fearful silence or had to leave their homeland altogether. Remember that the Islamists is waging a two front war, one to usurp power at home and the other is to gain dominion over the west. Their most effective vehicle is Islam, even more so than terrorism.

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