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weekenderman

Very well put, Darrell!

Darrell

For all you newcomers, all you need to know about DavidByron can be found in his words above. He is as truthful and accurate as he is above always. Any fool can see that the MSM is in league with George W. Bush. The rest of us know that they are not.

Paul of York

We seem to be in a pit of venomous snakes, trying to deal with them all while the most venomous are our own MSM which could be of enormous help but choose to go with sensationalism and let seething anger build in the middle east toward the men and women serving all of us.

Saul Davis

Mr. Byron: You state: "Btw is all this stuff about how left wing the media is a sort of running joke with you guys? American media these days is pretty much a state run propaganda operation."

Which planet did you come from? Have you never heard of Dan Rather, Maureen Dowd, etc. This is Gov't run media? You are past exasperating and into Alice in Wonderland. My apologies Alexandra, but his last post was off the wall.

DavidByron

Btw is all this stuff about how left wing the media is a sort of running joke with you guys? American media these days is pretty much a state run propaganda operation. Your reporters are more like stenographers. Perhaps you should look at some European media if you want an example of something approaching proper journalism. It's even noticeable in the difference between the US and international versions of CNN.

Stefan

Great post Alexandra,

I must say that Fox news still runs endlessly many of the breathless stories of death in Iraq ala CNN but they often have guests with a more complete picture on to help give some perspective to the violence. CNN and others seem to have no interest.

I don't ever remember the "Neocons" saying Saddam was an Islamic fundamentalist and he was never a great lover of religious diversity. He promoted those that were lapdogs and those that would fulfill his brutal decrees. I’d advise people not to speak too soon or too sweepingly on Saddam’s flirting with Islamic extremists and terrorism. He was an opportunist and if he thought enabling and encouraging terrorism on western targets would help him then it is very possible that he would have. September 11, was still a new turn of events and I have no doubt that it gave him a lot of ideas. It was the first real damage done to his mortal enemy and he may very well have been thinking of how he could get in the game through a proxy. Even if, in his mind, he would be using radical Islamists for his own duplicitous purposes the results of that aid could have been much worse than the World Trade Center. There is literally tons of evidence that has yet to be gone through yet so things may change in either direction. Even if Bin Laden was not on Saddam’s speed dial there was reason enough to desire his removal.

http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/

Motto of the MSM:

"Always the last to know, so you won't have to be."

Washington

Dr. de la Vega mentions Fox News. Every week I attend a gathering of veterans (I want give the name)-a large one-that adds new members weekly because of the troops coming home from Iraq. There are usually several televisions going but we observe one hard, fast rule; No CNN or Fox news.

Dr Victorino de la Vega

“I am outraged by the stubborn refusal of the MSM and the anti-war faction to acknowledge that this current violence is in fact the surest sign for our progress in Iraq. This isn't just some apologist rhetoric, but plain-old common sense”

Frankly Alexandra (and this is from a BIG fan of yours!), you’re blinded by all that Neocon propaganda you’ve been spoonfed by the Pentagon press corps.
:))

And as much as I have no sympathy for the MSM appeasers and other pinko obfuscators, I’m afraid the Neocon media aren’t less parsimonious with the truth.

Take Fox News or the New York Sun for the sake of argument: the latter recently published yet another article purporting to “prove” the existence of secret links between the Iraqi Baath party and Al Qaeda- see link below:
Saddam, Al Qaeda Did Collaborate, Documents Show

However, reading the article in question only “reveals” that:
“The document has no official stamps or markers”
“The question of future cooperation [between Saddam and Bin Laden] is left an open question”
“New documents […] did not prove Saddam Hussein played a role in any way in plotting the attacks of September 11, 2001”

Funny how after their Iraq debacle, the Neocons haven’t stopped peddling the tall tale of Saddam’s alleged “connections” with OBL: the Leninist thugs of Washington are decidedly obsessed with Saddam and the Baath party…even after they’ve been rendered inoffensive- assuming they ever posed a threat to America any other country.

Bush, Cheney & Co. have always lied about the nature of the Iraqi regime, repeatedly accusing Saddam Hussein of being an Islamic fundamentalist in cahoots with Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban: unfortunately, after having been bombarded with fabricated infomercials produced by Israeli “Middle-East experts”, the American public eventually came to believe exactly what the Neocon wanted: that Saddam was kind of a later days bloodthirsty Saracen, on the verge of conquering the Infidel pastures of Wyoming and Oklahoma!

Yet, as we now know, the truth is otherwise: there never were any “links” between the Baath party and Al Qaeda, no spooky “secret meetings” in Vienna or Prague or “somewhere in Eastern Europe” between “Saddam’s diplomatic envoy and Bin Laden’s righthand man” as Vice-President Dick Cheney had alleged on numerous occasions


In Fact, Saddam Hussein was a staunchly secular Arab nationalist, a disciple of professor Mitchell Aflaq, the French-educated Orthodox Christian philosopher. And, if anything, Christian minorities and women were generally overrepresented in Saddam’s government: Vice-President Tareq Hanna Aziz was actually Catholic and so were Saddam’s Chief of Staff and many of the senior civil servants working at the presidential palace.

And check out this article for a fascinating firsthand description of Saddam’s Tickrit “spider hole” hideout:
“Pinned to the outside wall of the hut was a cardboard box depicting biblical scenes such as the Last Supper and the Madonna and child with the English inscription "God bless our home." Inside the bedroom was a 2003 calendar in Arabic with a colorful depiction of Noah's Ark. Soldiers were surprised at the Christian decorations”

Yes these US soldiers were “surprised” after having been brainwashed about Saddam’s penchant for Islamic fundamentalism…which turned out to be just another lie churned out by Washington’s Neo-Conmintern propaganda factory.

Like him or not, Saddam Hussein was a truly modernist, Westernized Arab head of state who protected women’s rights and enforced affirmative action programs in favor of Iraq’s tiny Christian minority. “Old Europe’s” foreign policy establishment viewed the Iraqi Baath party essentially as a strong bulwark against both Persian-Khomeinist fundamentalism and Wahhabi-Afghan terrorism.

The Israelis and Washington’s Neocons thought otherwise: now we have to deal with the strictures of Sharia Law in Afghanistan, the rise of Hamas and the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) which they have deliberately brought to power…

Michael (van der) Galien

I heard on Dutch tv (not the utmost supporters of Bush) that the people living in the neighboorhood agreed with what the american army said about the situation; that it were extremists / terrorists who shot at the troops and NOT people who just visited a mosque.

Washington

I am outraged by the stubborn refusal of the MSM and the anti-war faction to acknowledge that this current violence is in fact the surest sign for our progress in Iraq.

Why? I mean why are you outraged? It's like getting upset at a Dolphin because it swims. We all harp about the MSM. We recognize that they do a poor job. Why would they suddenly report facts? I'm sure you have seen Molly Ivins latest quote about bloggers-if not it's at several blogs including http://www.rollingbarrage.com/archives/2006/03/molly_ivins_or_mollys_folly.php
That says a great deal about the MSM.

As for the anti-war faction they are not going to change their tune and we shouldn't expect it. It wouldn't matter if we were fighting a hoarde of Islamic barbarians inside a Wal-Mart in Orlando - the anti-war faction would be yelling it was "our" fault.

Alexandra

Byron,

Well the last time I was in a Mosque they took their booties off just to go into the one room which was for public (male) prayer.

Yes that is where the bodies were laying. The prayer room. What is your point?

DavidByron

Now as any good Allah worshiping Muslim will know the praying code requires Muslims to pray five times a day including once after the sun sets, once after dark and once in the early hours of the morning before sun rise, all of those times without their shoes on.

Well the last time I was in a Mosque they took their booties off just to go into the one room which was for public (male) prayer.

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