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DavidByron

Here's an article which has several good comments about the Milosevic trial. For example, this quote from The Guardian

things have gone horribly wrong for Ms. Del Ponte. The charges relating to the war in Kosovo were expected to be the strongest part of her case. But not only has the prosecution signally failed to prove Milosevic's personal responsibility for atrocities committed on the ground, the nature and extent of the atrocities themselves has also been called into question...

"When it came to the indictments involving the wars in Bosnia and Croatia, the prosecution fared little better. In the case of the worst massacre with which Milosevic has been accused of complicity--of between 2,000 and 4,000 men and boys in Srebrenica in 1995--Del Ponte's team have produced nothing to challenge the verdict of the five-year inquiry commissioned by the Dutch government--that there was 'no proof that orders for the slaughter came from Serb political leaders in Belgrade.'

So that's a lefty site and a libertarian site that both defend Milosvic against the charges of genocide.

Catherine

I do not think that Milosevic deserves talking about his deeds, his life, and his family. People should not be reminded what he did to Serbian people. The Hague court made his life easier, because Serbian people were not those who had judged him till the end. He should have been hanged in Belgrade (on Terazije square), so that he could be an example for what he did to us to those who think the same way as he did. He took us 13 years of life. Isnt that enough?And what about those families who lost their relatives durig the war?

gringoman

Alexandra,

There is a view that the nicely sanitized Clinton War ('sanitized' for U.S. voters by relentless bombing, allowing him not to have American blood shed,always good for poll numbers, while subtly continuing to emasculate the U.S. by showing such male "cowardice," )was a dastardly betrayal of the Serbs, former U.S. allies who fought the Nazis like lions. Clinton preferred the Nazi-allied Croatians and muslims, and therefore Serb atrocities got top billing over equally horrible Croatian attrocities. It appears that you see this view as gravely over-simplified, or inaccurate.

DavidByron

Look at it this way. Recently the USA experienced a terroirst attack. A single isolated attack that was not state sponsored. There was no long term threat to US security and the act was carried out by 19 guys with box cutters. The US has a population of about 300 million.

Now Serbia was experiencing terrorist attacks by a much larger force that was based in a neighbouring state. The KLA was so big I've heard they had their own artilery field guns. The situation had been ongoing for years and the desired results of the attacks were the territorial integrity of Serbia. Serbia has a population of about 10 million.

Which country do you think reacted in a more measured way to it's terrorism problem?

Before you answer that let's examine the claims about Serbia's activities on the US site you linked to. Obviously since the US bombed Serbia and justified this act on the basis of Serbian actions the US is as biased a source as you could hope to find, but let's ignore that for now. What do they claim?

They make claims about actions by Serbia after the war started. They make no claims that Serbia did anything before the NATO bombings. Yes, that's right. The original pretext for the Kosovo war, the actions taken by Serbia prior to the war in response to the terrorist KLA attacks -- they don't rate a mention. They've been debunked so often it's embarassing. Instead we hear about what is supposed to have happened in Kosov after Serbia was attacked by NATO.

So now ask yourself this. If America finds invading two countries, Afghanistan and Iraq, and killing hundreds of thousands of people, all on the basis of a single act of terror by nineteen men is justified. What would America have done if it was attacked by an alliance of countries seeking to "liberate" a good proportion of it's homeland?

Let's say that several million Mexicans start shooting people around America for years. They are backed by the Mexican government and want to annex Texas and California. They have heavy military equipment given to them by the Russia and China, and those two countries proceed to blanket bomb American cities in suport of the Mexicans.

What would be America's response?

Alexandra

Saunders,

I think you are taking what David Byron said a little out of context. His knowledge of the history of the region and the conflict is quite accurate. I don't agree with your accusation which is based on the assumption that he does not acknowledge the Holocaust by default, but I am sure he is capable of answering that for himself.

Like with all civil wars, it is never a black and white issue, and I believe this is the point he was trying to make. He is not condoning Milosevic, he is trying to explain the circumstances under which Milosevic went into the region.

He is pointing out the atrocities carried out by the Croatians who were Black shirts during the war and who slaughtered the Serbs by the thousands, and who were never tried in the Hague. He is pointing out the slaughter of the 200 000 Serbs by the Croatians in Krajina in the early 90’s. He is pointing out that the Kosovo conflict had a lot to do with oppression of the 200,000 or so Serbs in that region, by the now majority 2mil or so Albanians. All of which has been ignored due to the despicable and inexcusable actions carried out against the Muslims.

The lives of the Serbs in Kosovo was not easy to say the least, in a land that had always been theirs, they were suddenly the minority. They had to live in a hostile environment, constantly harassed by the Muslims who wanted to drive them out of their homes. They raped their women and gang fought the men into submission, burning homes with people still inside, trying to force them to convert to Islam, way before Milosevic even heard of the problem.

So much hatred had built up, that something had to be done. That something however should never have been the ethnic cleansing that ensued. Your figures, although none confirmed, are way out for Kosovo, and Kosovo is what David was talking about. You made a sweeping genocide generalization which was not what he was referring to; 12 000 Albanians were killed in Kosovo, and approx 800,000 expelled, as far as my research shows. But again, whether it is 200 000 or 12 000 is irrelevant, either way it is a horrendous number.

There were territories in Kosovo where the police were not able to enter, and protect their own. Muslims ruled, and if you were a Serb, atrocities were carried out without anyone to protect them. But that doesn't mean that forcible cleansing of the Albanians was justified.

The numbers of how many Albanians live there now are not conclusive, since no official count has been established since the 80's. The Serbs were a majority in Kosovo before the WWII, as well as if we go into ancient history and the battle of Kosovo (1389) when the Serbs fought the Turks and lost. Before that the Kingdom of Serbia during Tsar Dusan, encompassed beside Serbia the whole of Macedonia up to Thessaly (now part of Greece).

Again, don't now pick at my words, this is a difficult subject for me, but in my opinion David has a good grasp of the truth, and I do not think was being disrespectful. He was simply saying that not everything is black and white in a civil war. Don’t ever think that the Albanians were as helpless as they were portrayed to be. Nor that it was an easy situation to control, considering the incredibly powerful gangs (that included women and children) who plotted the drug route coming in from Afghanistan via Albania and Kosovo into Europe. That is still a big business for that region.

I do however repeat, nothing absolutely nothing justifies genocide, and the government in Belgrade should have gone in to Kosovo, and established the rule of law, protecting their people, however difficult that may have been.

dhimwit

In retrospect, I have to wonder whether we slew the wrong dragon in the Kosova war.

Saunders

Alexandra...

Of all the distortions and outrageous statments posted by David Byron in this (and other) threads, none is as offensive and repulsive as the following:

The accusations of ethnic cleansing in Kosovo by Serbs was exagerated or even fabricated in pursuit of military goals.

Please take some time to go to Ethnic Cleansing in Kosovo: An Accounting, and judge for yourself whether the reports were either "exaggerated" or "fabricated." Byron's attempt to pooh-pooh the deaths of over 200,000 and the displacement of millions under Milosevic's direct supervision is not just revolting, it's nauseating.

Reading Byron's posts leaves a lingering aroma of Holocaust denial, and I am willing to bet a considerable sum that Byron also believes, a la David Irving (a darling of the fringe left), that the reports of the mass murder of Jews during WWII was also "exaggerated" or "fabricated."

It isn't worth my time to debunk all of the silly nonsense he usually writes, but in this case I urge the readers of your blog to do a bit of research before accepting at face value his outrageous claims regarding the Serbian wars of the 1990s. Byron defends Milosevic - a communist tyrant mass murderer - in barely articulate prose, but he defends him nonetheless, and Byron deserves condemnation for it in the strongest possible terms.

MarcH

Alexandra,

This was a wonderful and informative post. I hope you'll write some more posts about SE and central Europe, both history and current events.

RL

i forgot to mention, findingkaradzic.blogspot.com
in my previous post.

it must be all of that delicious coffee with dark chocolate - chips gelato i enjoyed a little earlier today. i don't ever wish to imagine life without gelato. : )


RL

"Ethnic cleansing":

Zelijko Raznatovic (aka: the Notorious "Arkan")

Radovan Stojicic

Radovan Karadzic

Three suffering eternal conscious punishment in the fiery "lake of fire", one to go (Karadzic).

DavidByron

That's quite some not widely read knowledge you have there. I am impressed.

Thanks. I had to look up how to spell "Vojvodina"! I used to read antiwar.com a lot and they have a lot of coverage of the Balkans. In fact I think the site was originally set up because of the Kosovo war. It's a libertarian site.

Alexandra

David, Well you certainly know all! That's quite some not widely read knowledge you have there. I am impressed.

Do you all remember the famous picture that was printed all over the world, the thin man half naked behind chicken wire, and the day after the US announced the bombings? Well, according to the investigative reports of a German journalist carried out afterwards, the photos and the video from which they were taken, were less than honest. Here is the story in text form and here is a must see video. (you have to sit through a tedious beginning of the video, but the rest is mesmorizing, and really shocked me when I first saw it) This is a part of the text, which only relates to the wire, but the video tells the best story, as it reveals all the other details of how that photo and others including the video, were made to give desired impressions:

The picture reproduced on these pages is of Fikret Alic, a Bosnian Muslim, emaciated and stripped to the waist, apparently imprisoned behind a barbed wire fence in a Bosnian Serb camp at Trnopolje. It was taken from a videotape shot on 5 August 1992 by an award-winning British television team, led by Penny Marshall (ITN) with her cameraman Jeremy Irvin, accompanied by Ian Williams (Channel 4) and the reporter Ed Vulliamy from the Guardian newspaper.

For many, this picture has become a symbol of the horrors of the Bosnian war - 'Belsen '92' as one British newspaper headline captioned the photograph (Daily Mirror, 7 August 1992). But that image is misleading.

The fact is that Fikret Alic and his fellow Bosnian Muslims were not imprisoned behind a barbed wire fence. There was no barbed wire fence surrounding Trnopolje camp. It was not a prison, and certainly not a 'concentration camp', but a collection centre for refugees, many of whom went there seeking safety and could leave again if they wished.

The barbed wire in the picture is not around the Bosnian Muslims; it is around the cameraman and the journalists. It formed part of a broken-down barbed wire fence encircling a small compound that was next to Trnopolje camp. The British news team filmed from inside this compound, shooting pictures of the refugees and the camp through the compound fence. In the eyes of many who saw them, the resulting pictures left the false impression that the Bosnian Muslims were caged behind barbed wire.

Whatever the British news team's intentions may have been, their pictures were seen around the world as the first hard evidence of concentration camps in Bosnia. 'The Proof: behind the barbed wire, the brutal truth about the suffering in Bosnia', announced the Daily Mail alongside a front-page reproduction of the picture from Trnopolje: 'They are the sort of scenes that flicker in black and white images from 50-year-old films of Nazi concentration camps.' (7 August 1992) On the first anniversary of the pictures being taken, an article in the Independent could still use the barbed wire to make the Nazi link: 'The camera slowly pans up the bony torso of the prisoner. It is the picture of famine, but then we see the barbed wire against his chest and it is the picture of the Holocaust and concentration camps.' (5 August 1993)

Penny Marshall, Ian Williams and Ed Vulliamy have never called Trnopolje a concentration camp. They have criticized the way that others tried to use their reports and pictures as 'proof' of a Nazi-style Holocaust in Bosnia. Yet over the past four and a half years, none of them has told the full story about that barbed wire fence which made such an impact on world opinion.

It was through my role as an expert witness to the War Crimes Tribunal that I first realized that something was wrong with the famous pictures from Trnopolje. As a journalist with a track record of reporting on Bosnia, I was asked to present the tribunal with a report on German media coverage of Dusko Tadic, a Bosnian Serb accused of war crimes. Reviewing press articles and video tapes which had been shown on German TV, I became aware of the major importance of the Trnopolje pictures. The picture of Fikret Alic behind the barbed wire, taken by Penny Marshall's team, could be seen again and again.

One night, while I was going through the pictures again at home, my wife pointed out an odd little detail. If Fikret Alic and the other Bosnian Muslims were imprisoned inside a barbed wire fence, why was this wire fixed to poles on the side of the fence where they were standing? As any gardener knows, fences are, as a rule, fixed to the poles from outside, so that the area to be enclosed is fenced-in. It occurred to me then that perhaps it was not the people in the camp who were fenced-in behind the barbed wire, but the team of British journalists.[...]

I decided to go back to Bosnia, and to review the British news team's coverage of Trnopolje, in order to unravel the real story of how those pictures had come about.[...]

And he did. His story and this video prove beyond reasonable doubt that things were not as they seemed. Of course it does not mean that ethnic cleansing did not take place elsewhere, it did. But it does mean that the photos that enraged the whole world and won so many awards were maneuvered to portray a certain desired image. They were also neccessary to win the public opinion prior to the Belgrade bombings

Stefan

S'ok David, you did clear up the ICC thing as I wasn't sure when it was officially established.

DavidByron

Ok sorry! Most people don't know that the trial went badly and people get confused about the ICC and the other courts.

Stefan

That was sarcasm ...in case you didn't catch it.

DavidByron

You are mistaken.

I may be mistaken but, wasn’t Milosevic the first person to be put on trial by the “International Criminal Court”? That went well didn’t it?

Firstly the ICC wasn't started until recently. The UN set up quasi-legal tribunals for Rwanda and for Yugoslavia as special cases before the ICC was created. They were little more than victor's kangaroo courts that couldn't arrest anyone except the losers. Legally they existence was on very shaky ground. There was no treaty to set them up. They literally made it all up as they went along. It was a judicial farce.

The ICC is completely different. It's a separate treaty and has established rules which apply equally to everyone in those nations that are signatories (the US is not one).

Also the trial of Milosevic didn't go at all well.

The prosecution (which was not independent of the judges trying the case) was a joke. The witnesses were ridiculous. Milosevic - a lawyer and apparently a very good one - defended himself and regularly humiliated the prosecutions' case. Most of the witnesses against him contradicted themselves and openly lied on the stand. As a show trial it was a political disaster. As a result the reporting on the detailsm of the trial was largely dropped except to ocassionally mention it was going on.

Stefan

I may be mistaken but, wasn’t Milosevic the first person to be put on trial by the “International Criminal Court”? That went well didn’t it?

DavidByron

Some personal thoughts about Milosevic. I will keep it short: He was the Serbian Hitler.

You wouldn't say that if you knew the history of Yugoslavia during world war 2. This is the crux of my comments here: Milosevic wasn't a Hitler. the bulk of the ethnic cleansing in the wars was by Croatians against Serbs, often with tacit aproval by NATO. Now in WW2 everyone was picking sides and on the whole the Croatians were on the side of the Nazis and the Serbs against. Ancient history? It would have been except that during the ethnic cleansing of Serbs by Croats in the wars of the 1990's the Croats chose to use the same Nazi emblems and paramilitary names as they had in WW2. What message was that intended to send?

Most of the victims of the Yugoslav wars were Serbs. But where are the Croatian generals who should be hauled off to the Hague? Where is the outrage for Serbian victims?

Alexandra my impression here is that you have plenty of reasons for disliking Milsevic but those reasons are NOT the ones listed in the classic NATO propaganda texts about Yugoslavia.

Why did America decide to militarily back a group of muslims that they had previously listed as a terrorist organisation (the KLA)? Alexandra I don't know what your views are on Milosevic's policy on Kosovo before the war. But he wasn't commiting genocide. I don't know if you believe that Serbia really wanted to dominate the rest of Yugoslavia more than it already did simply by numbers and economy, but Albania certainly wanted to pursue a policy of "Greater Albania" and they are now pushing terrorists into "Macedonia" just as they did in Kosovo. Again it wasn't Milsevic who started the wars. It was the US and Germany who pushed the former Republics to move to declare independence unilaterally instead of going through a longer gradual and democratic process. As a direct result 200,000 Serbs in Krajina were ethincally cleansed.

[Tito's] policy to populate Kosovo with Muslims from Albania and further east (he was on close terms with President Nasser of Egypt and paid Muslim households money for each new child) had only one goal: Crowding-out Serbs demographically and thus breaking the umbilical cord of Serbian Nationalism.

Classic divide and conquor: back the minorities against the majority. That way the minorities have an interest in keeping you around. The British did this all over the world and the Americans seemed to do it in Yugoslavia the same way Tito did. All the US media reports were slanted against the evil Serbs and in favour of the innocent muslims and Croats. The irony of calling Serbs nazis was lost on American audiences ignorant of the history.

Albright favored the Muslim Albanians, which to this day is a mystery to me, and as such succumbed to their manipulation against supporting the Serbian opposition. It suited Albania too well to have the sable rattling Milosevic playing into their hand and painting himself into a corner. A moderate leader would have preserved a much greater Yugoslavia and retained control over Kosovo.

But IMO Milosevic was merely represented to the US as sabre-ratling when the instigation seems to have come from the muslims. For whatever reason they decided to go into Serbia and Kosovo was merely the closest pretext to hand. They'd already laid the groundwork to represent Serbs as "nazis" and Milosevic as a fascist.

I honestly don't think that any leader could have prevented war with the US over Kosovo because for some reason America wanted a military occupation of all of Yugoslavia. Divide and conquer. No Serb leader would ever have given up Kosovo willingly under any circumstances, especially so soon after the 600th anniversary.

The accusations of ethnic cleansing in Kosovo by Serbs was exagerated or even fabricated in pursuit of military goals. But even the wild claims never amounted in size to the scope of the very real attacks on Serbs in Krajina. Again maybe people disagreed with Milosevic's policies towards the independent regions but wasn't he doing the same stuff in Vojvodina?

RL

"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose."
Shakespeare

Sad, but true.

Maybe this partly explains why he (the devil) is referred to as "an angel of light" in God's Scriptures. he is a fallen angel, after all. It was the deadly sin of pride that did him in, and C.S. Lewis has a very, very convicting chapter on this deadly sin (pride), in his classic and excellent book titled, "Mere Christianity". i think that it's time for me to reread this chapter once again, and to sincerely confess and repent of the deadly sin of pride. the most difficult to conquer/ defeat sin of the seven deadly-sins, in my humble opinion.

Proverbs 3:33-35, Proverbs 16:18-19
James 4:6, 1 Peter 5:5


Lilly

One subject that hasn’t been touched in connection with Milosevic is his role in the exploitation of the Serbian Orthodox Church. The Serbs have never, on the whole, been highly religious. They mainly uphold traditional rites – like celebrating Xmas, Easter and other religious holidays. In Tito’s time, although it was not strictly forbidden, but God forbid if a teacher was seen to go to church or somebody from the army or police, he would have been punished or dismissed. In smaller cities it was certainly worse than in larger cities. It was not advisable for someone to go to church, or to be baptized or married in church. Party members watched who was visiting a church or celebrated religious holidays. In schools children didn’t get any religious education, as in other Communist countries.

Milosevic, riding on the nationalistic propaganda started to exploit the Church. The clerics and the church were given a prominent place. It started to be fashionable to be baptized and go to mass. People who never believed in God started to fill up churches, only to observe the rites. It was funny how some former Communists started to be bigger Christians then the true believers. Serbs from Bosnia and Croatia who came to Serbia, a number of them clerics, have been among the staunchest nationalists. They were placed at different churches in Serbia and they all started to praise Milosevic as their savior. The Church never supported the opposition. They knew who to bat for. Churches began to be erected, and the government supported it. The preachers after mass indoctrinated the masses about the justification of the war, they blessed soldiers who went to kill innocent civilians and loot.

Milosevic has never been a religious man, but it served his purpose to have the Church as his ally. As in all nations, where you need to reach the educated as well as the uneducated, this support is imperative to keep up your propaganda. This propaganda lingers on, since if you tell a lie a 1000 times (as he did through the media) it becomes the truth.

Raimondo

An often overlooked fact about those dark times in the former
Yugoslavia, was the fact that literally a few miles away the
Europeans sat sipping their capuccinos and ignoring the horror all
together. The US had to intervene from across oceans and continents.

I remember doing exactly that. I enjoyed sitting at a caffe' in the
small town of Gorizia where my aunt and uncle own a summer home,
while we knew that across the border in Nova Goriza things probably
weren't all that peachy. It was a beautiful day and the capuccino was
very good. At the Italian parliament the, "Onorelvoli", leftists,
centrists, and right wingers were all on vacation for at least two
weeks.

Aahh...Old Europe...They sure have their priorities straight!

RL

the ayatollahs in the islamoterrorist republic of Iran also supported the Albanian muslims, with lots and lots of weapons, guerilla-training from the Qods Force ("Jerusalem Force") division of the IRGC, and financial and other means of support (ie. diesel and kerosene). Their (IRI) fully-loaded cargo aircraft used to make regular flights to support the Albanian muslims. a friend of mine who is a Lt. Col. in the SF has told me on several occasions that the Albanian muslims are some of the nastiest and most vicious soldiers he has ever been around during his entire military career in service to our truly blessed and great country (USA). Albright's position shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody; she does NOT subscribe to a Judeo-Christian weltanschauung, which makes clear distinctions between: good and evil, right and wrong, black and white.

The results ? our major foreign-policy failures concerning: Haiti, Somalia, Sudan, the islamoterrorist republic of Iran, the Taliban controlled Afghanistan, Iraq, regularly appeasing the evil islamonazi-terrorist arafat etc . . .

You reap what you sow, a transcendent truth of the Word of God.

God Bless Dr. Condoleezza Rice.


Washington

Excellent post Alexandra.

Michael Galien

No thanks,

Here is a somewhat better translation:
Second paragraph
Juriste Heikelien Verrijn Stuart said she spoke to someone who was very close to Milosevic. From the declarations of this person can be concluded that Milosevic took the medicines which neutralised his heart-medicines, himself
Seventh paragraph
Another riddle is the letter Milosevic wrote which was made public today. In it the former President wrote tracks of a 'heavy means' were found in his blood.
Eight paragraph
Because of the fact he wrote this letter just one day before his death, one could conclude that he committed suicided, but attempted to make it look like murder, according to Verrijn Stuart.

Some personal thoughts about Milosevic. I will keep it short:
He was the Serbian Hitler.

Alexandra

David,

I do not personally remember much as I was very small when I left, but my close and wide family circle carried on the fight for liberty, and certainly my father until his dying breath.

You are of course entirely right when you suspect that not all is as black and white as often portrayed. But before I go any further, Milosevic and his wife Mira Markovic (she has played a central role), were as bad as they are portrayed to have been. In that sense, as I have said above, Amanpour provides an accurate account of the Milosevic era.

What is of course missing is the whole baggage carried from the 30's and 40's and prior to that. The terrible crimes and large scale genocide committed by the Croats against the Serbs; the unspeakable atrocities carried out by the Croatian blackshirts during WWII. Don't forget, Tito was Croatian and literally shifted Serbia's entire industry, factories etc. to Croatian territories, leaving previously vibrant economies in ruins. My grandmother's brother was the President of the old Yugoslavia, 1935-1939, when we were still civilized and had a truly democratic parliament, and this was the country Tito inherited after the war.

During the 1970s the economy began to weaken under the weight of foreign debt, high inflation, and inefficient industry. Also, he was under increasing pressure from nationalist forces within Yugoslavia, especially Croatian secessionists who threatened to break up the federation. Following their repression, Tito tightened control of intellectual life, such as my father's in particular. After Tito's death in 1980, the ethnic tensions resurfaced, helping to bring about the eventual violent breakup of the federation in the early 1990s.

Tito also knew only too well how important Kosovo was in the eyes of the Serbs, historically and nationalistically, as you rightly pointed out. And yes, you are welcome.

His policy to populate Kosovo with Muslims from Albania and further east (he was on close terms with President Nasser of Egypt and paid Muslim households money for each new child) had only one goal: Crowding-out Serbs demographically and thus breaking the umbilical cord of Serbian Nationalism.

Then there are course the five hundred years of Turkish Muslim occupation; and perhaps most indicatively for the Serbian strength of character, their defiant ability to preserve and keep the Serbian Orthodox religion alive throughout those FIVE Centuries.

Milosevic only lit the fuse. A Mandela chose not to. That's in a nutshell the tragedy. It was easy for the West and for America in particular to appreciate Appartheid, it was not as simple to reduce Yugoslavia's conflict into a single label.

Albright favored the Muslim Albanians, which to this day is a mystery to me, and as such succumbed to their manipulation against supporting the Serbian opposition. It suited Albania too well to have the sable rattling Milosevic playing into their hand and painting himself into a corner. A moderate leader would have preserved a much greater Yugoslavia and retained control over Kosovo.

Ah well, it goes on and on...

Thanks Michael, I just posted the update.

Michael Galien

Darn Alexandra, great post!

For who is interested: the news that the Dutch sources brought out (poisoning) is to read on:
nos journaal

Now you might think; but that's in Dutch... How am I supposed to read that? Very simple: use altafista Babel fish:
translation

For the lazy people; I will translate a few paragraphes from NOS journaal (major news station, comparable with CNN, FOX, etc) with Altavista; I admit I'm too lazy to translate it myself (it's a little babelish at times, but still quite good readable):

Headline:
' Milosevic died none natural dead '

story:
There are indications that Slobodan Milosevic did not die a natural death. In his blood tracks of medecines which neutralise the medicines he took for his heart disorder and high blood pressure, have been found. Sources confirmed that to the NOS.

Juriste Heikelien Verrijn Stuart said that she spoke to someone who stood very near to Milosevic. From the declarations of this person can be concluded that Milosevic swallowed the medicines which reduced the impact of the heartmedicines himself.

A another riddle is the letter of Milosevic which has come to light just today. In this the former-president writes the day before his dead that tracks of a "heavy means" have been found in his blood. From the fact that this letter has been exactly written one day before his death, one is able to conclude that he committed suicide, but according to Veery Stuart Verrijn it needed to look like someone murdered him. "then he outsmarted the Tribunal once again."

Okay... I took some paragraphs and corrected the translation a little bit - babel fish is a very nice site, but some help from somebody who actually speaks the language is quite useful. I tried to 'correct' as little as possible - that is why it still sounds quite strange.

RL

ayatollah khomeini and ayatollah khalkhali have welcomed this evil genocidal monster into their presence, in a fiery hell, for the rest of eternity. Nobody escapes the perfectly just judgment of the Only perfect Judge. Nobody.

"Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment."
Hebrews 9:27

Thank You Dear Lord for your holy and perfect justice. Amen.

Jeremiah

Milosevic is dead. May your people rest in peace.

DavidByron

Well I was wondering what you thought of all this. I my view Milosevic was innocent of the charges and was simply a scapegoat for American imperialist aggression. But since he died while in prison -- very conveniently -- the trial that had so far looked like it was going to end in his aquital, is over.

There's a lot of inaccuracies and false insinuations in those reports as far as I know. What do you think about them Alexandra? By posting them in full it makes it sound like you endorse their contents.

Do you agree with the NATO propaganda that characterised the Yugoslav wars as all being the fault of the Serbs? While the Croatians were going around flaunting their Nazi-era emblems?

By the way -- when were you living in Serbia? It's not clear from what you've said how old you were at the time. I assume you were not there at the time of the wars? I've never been to Serbia of course but it's a story that has interested me so I'd like to hear any inside information you have.

I guess for most people his death is just a footnote of American mythology. Another "bad guy" that wonderful America "took out" like a cheesy cop movie. I figured you might have a more precise view.

And by the way -- from my ancestors to yours -- thanks for the Battle of Kosovo.

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