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Washington

Whilst it would be a disaster if a pandemic happened I just don't see it. I recall about five years ago there was an intense worry among scientists about the spread of Ebola, Marburg, et al because of airline travel.

It is part of the scientific paranoia that pervades our society. Global cooling-then global warming. Eggs, no eggs. Run, don't run. Take this drug-but wait!

Here in the states we legislate to death-OSHA is king. Kids riding bicycles look as if their off for war. It's an approach to life that prohibits risk-and one mention of bird flu, chicen flu, or a Wham! reunion and people get worried.

gringoman

Pandemic? One is here already: the pandemic of chatter. It's escalated far beyond a year ago when your gringo blogman posted a Russian doctor's assertion that bird flu may kill one billion people (alarmist enough?) (www.gringoman.us /10/28/04 ). The chatter pandemic has affected a billion of us already. It's much more evolved than it was even on February 02 this year(2005) when we posted The Specter of Bird Flu(www.gringoman.us )

Is this chatter pandemic un-founded, or ill-founded?......


from the early part of a gringo article posted last October, "Bird Flu: Why Panic?" (Clickable at sidebar for 'Other Posts.'

Alexandra

Jeff,

That's really great stuff there, do you have a post you wrote on this?

Jeff Durkin

For those who are interested in tracking H5, I would recommend the following sites:
WHO's AI site: http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/en/index.html
Flu Information Centre/Flu In China: http://www.flu.org.cn/
VLA Weybidge (Europe's main AI reference lab): http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/vla/
FAO (UN Food and Agriculture Organization): http://www.fao.org/ag/againfo/subjects/en/health/diseases-cards/special_avian.html

By the end of the month, the DoD is supposed to come out with its H5 reaction plan. If it is anything like what has come out of the UK (in which the military is pretty much assumed to be taking things over if the disease gets into the human population) or Australia (where they plan to seal the continent off) than I would assume that NORTHCOM will be taking control of response efforts fairly early on.

And, keep in mind, that H5 is already a serious global problem. The poultry and feed industries are losing billions of dollars and could be crippled. Poultry provides about 33% of global protein production and is a main source of protein and income for hundreds of millions. And, as was warned by the UNEP (http://www.unep.org/Documents.Multilingual/Default.asp?DocumentID=471&ArticleID=5235&l=en) the current pandemic could cause severe problems for the global biosphere.

In the event of a mutation into a form that is easily passed from person-to-person, whatever the mortality rate, chances are that the global economy will come to a halt for a six month plus month period, as vaccine development and production is ramped up. How long can US industries last without parts from overseas? Without oil from outside of North America? And, if we (the US, Europe, Japan, China, a few other places) only begin serial production at a minimum of six moths from the initial outbreak, how much longer for other areas of the world to start receiving vaccines? And how will the "developing" world handle being cut off from trade, food aid, and so forth for an extended period of time?

The cascade fatalities (from famine, civil disorder, the collapse of infrastructure support, the collapse of health care infrastructure. Our own government is projecting a 30 - 60 period, in the even of a widespread plague, before our health care system begin to fail. How much worse in countries where healthcare is marginal to begin with?) could outnumber those from the flu.

And, also keep in mind that if H5 moves into the human population, it will not remain a "static target." From what I have read, we could be hit with waves of H5 , each genetically unique, over a period of years.

Some of this is, obviously, a worst case projection. However, even the best case (a global avian flu, which causes mass die-offs and leads to the mass culling of birds) is going to have substantial economic effects and could lead to many more human deaths than the actual disease. This disease really requires a global effort, one that is still lacking.

In my humble opinion, of course.

RL

a good, helpful, and informative posting concerning the much-hyped avian flu over at the Cranach blog today,

cranach.worldmagblog.com/cranach/

it is my sincere hope and prayer that Mr. Yoshihiro Kawaoka and his team of scientists' research is right concerning this serious matter (jsonline.com).

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MarcH

Alexandra,

Here are a few thoughts about this important and under-publicized issue (well done of you to write about it today).

1. Lielks summarizes (in his usual entertaining manner) a few realistic steps ATB readers can take to prepare for a possible pandemic @ http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0306/lileks.php3.

2. I don’t think that it is entirely accurate to suggest that the flu vaccine shortage of 2004 was due to FDA regulations preventing all but two companies from producing the vaccine (perhaps I misunderstood your point?). IMHO a bigger cause of the problem is that the regulated price structure for flu vaccines made it unprofitable for more companies to go through the FDA approval process. Also, I believe that at the conclusion of all recent flu seasons including 2004, excess vaccines were returned to manufacturers.

3. The problem of traffic in unapproved, counterfeit or otherwise contraband pharmaceuticals is a fascinating and serious trans-national crime problem which is only beginning to impact the U.S. There are publicly reported organized crime and terrorist connections. Acquisition of pharmaceuticals from outside of the U.S. regulatory system entails some risk.

4. I want to bang my head against a wall rather than write the following, but David Byron is correct in some of his comments on this issue. A more robust public health system would aid significantly in containing the damage in any future pandemic. (sigh) A broken watch is accurate twice a day.

Darrell

"American healthcare is far more expensive than comparable healthcare in other countries."

David, there is no comaparable health care in any other country. The only problem with the American health care system is the Socialism that has crept into the system, and the enormous cost of litigation. If Capitalism had a free hand, the US would have the lowest cost of advanced health care in the world. Absent litigation costs and price-fixing/anti-competitive edicts by the AMA, lawmakers, and other players in the market, American-trained Indian doctors are setting up advanced clinics in India, using refurbished American technology(MRIs, CT-Scanners, etc.) and delivering services at 1/30 the cost of their US practices. Maybe as a Brit, David, you can travel there and finally get that MRI without the 5-year wait from your NHS. No human being can ever match the decision-making capability of the Capitalist marketplace: We all make the correct decisions at the speed of light with every purchase we make and the market sets all the rest.

Laurel

Again David show me the facts. As a former military person the job of the military is to defend the United States not every individual collective. There is no way the military can defend every man, woman, and child. Again, personal responsibility.

US medicine is far from socialized. If you're talking about poor people going to the emergency room for care that can't pay for it - how is this socialized? Again, facts. I've been in the German health care system. Pretty good, but not the utopia you make it out to be. Again, facts.

It's apparent you believe socialism is better than capitalism. In reality it's only the people who make these 'isms work that decides if they are good or bad. And what socialistic country may we look at to guide us?

DavidByron

To depend on any type of government to "take care of you" during times of crisis is ridiculous.

Does that criticism apply to the military also?

Fact is many issues can only be dealt with collectively. In this sense capitalism is simply unworkable and all governments have to be socialist. Indeed if the issues could be solved without collective responsibility why bother having a government at all?

Now if you look at the old testament as a model here you see a system that was incredibly anti-centralised government but that didn't mean a lack of collective responsibility.

The nation of Israel was to have no king and no standing army. How "small government" can you get? No army and no chief executive. Instead local "states" (tribes) maintained militias which were led by "judges" who were apointed to take charge of the nation's armed forces only when a conflict demanded a national response.

But the nation had social security administered localy and funded by taxes (tithes) which were collected nationally (federally). The religious duties were also administered "federally".

In America the pretense at avoiding socialist solutions ends up just being an inefficient way of solving the same problems federally. It's just a way to ignore incompetency by the government. American healthcare is far more expensive than comparable healthcare in other countries. In America as with other countries you can get emergency healthcare even if you can't pay. But Americans love to pretend that isn't socialised healthcare. The difference is the American charade is inefficient and full of holes because nobody organises the collective response adequately.

That's not individuals taking responsibility; it's society being scamed and over-paying for a worse service compared to a better organised system.

Darrell

Poor, poor misguided Euro-Socialist ne'er-do-well, David! Capitalism isn't at fault for any vaccine shortages. The Left has removed profitablity from the equation. Allow a manufacturer to make a profit, and indemnify them against product liability lawsuits, particularly the kind with no basis in scientific fact, and you will have all the vaccine you'll ever need. Madame Hillary(1994 Vaccines for Children Program) took charge of the process in the US, setting prices below costs and refusing to protect manufacturers from future claims. And we are just reaping what she sowed.

Laurel

I do find it interesting that we don't have enough companies to produce a vaccine but, I'm interested in what is the plan?

Some questions to ponder are:

In case of a pandemic who gets the vaccine first? Older, younger, first responders, what is the plan?

Will it be like the gas shortage in the 70s? A - M go get your shot on Tuesdays..the rest on Wednesdays?

Are there alternative medicines that can help with the symptoms in order to fight this strain?

There needs to be a plan.

I disagree with David that a socialist government handles this better than a capitalist government. Where are the facts? Remember the heat wave in Europe a couple years back? I do, I was there. Thousand of people died because of heat. Of course this happened during August (European vacation time) so many medical personnel weren't available. Even Chirac didn't end his vacation to handle the problem.

To depend on any type of government to "take care of you" during times of crisis is ridiculous. You have to have some sort of personal responsibility. Of course, socialism doesn't foster any sort of personal responsibility. According to the flu experts, a viable vaccine can't even be made until the virus jumps from person to person.

To compare a flu outbreak with Katrina is also wrong. This was a natural disaster forewarned. The problem was the plan and the people who failed to implement it. You have to have a plan and competent people to implement that plan to save lives. I grew up around hurricanes - there is a natural propensity to stay because you think this one isn't going to be that bad.

gringoman

There are reasons to worry about a pandemic and reasons not to---as with the great coming of Y2K not long ago. gringoman.com laid out an alternate scenario on October 24, 2005. 'Bird Flu: Why Panic?' (Clickable under 'Other Posts'.)

Michael (van der) Galien

A week ago this issue was adressed on television here; experts told what the results would be if the variant of the bird flu humans could get, would overwhelm the Netherlands.

They made clear that we do not have enough vaccins. People will undeniably die. Who will receive the vaccin, and who will not receive it is a case of cold hard decisions.

Semanticleo

I'm just glad it's not another Muslim conspiracy.

Seriously, the two schools of thought wrangle over
it's similarity to the 1918 Flu and the absence of
antibiotics for the former. It seems the body's
own defense system causes a high proportion of healthy
young people to succumb (unlike the typical U curve where
the very young and very old have most fatalities)because
organ failure. Not that a weak immune system
will help, it's just that a strong one becomes worse than
the disease. That's pure speculation, but the only
explanation for high numbers among the 15-40 year olds.

DavidByron

The progressive blogs have covered this for years. Is it not so visible omn the Right? There are few blogs dedicated to it solely of course.

Probably there won't be a major pandemic with this strain ever. But if there is then it's likely to be the weakest link in the chain that fails -- some place like Nigeria maybe where it recently turned up. Some place where they don't have much of a defence. It will spread pretty much regardless of any quarantine attempt. There is no vaccine and no way to manufacture one even if one was invented. Medicine just doesn't deal well with viruses yet.

So this is a time bomb really. If not H5N1 then something else. Keep rolling the dice eventually you'll get snake eyes. But each individual threat is likely to pass without major event, reinforcing the "Oh, well be alright!" attitude.

The expected death toll in America is obviously much higher than any war or natural disaster. Let us pray it doesn't happen on the watch of Bush or some similar Republican administration whose philosophy of government is that the government should be small in competence and big in graft. This would be one thousand Katrinas.

But our odds are good.
For each individual threat.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it, why so many pretend that Iraq was a threat to America when this thing was known to be there and known to be likely to kill millions of Americans and far more people worldwide, possibly precipitating economic collapse as a side effect.

It also shows the failure of the capitalist system. Why is there no manufacturing base for vaccine production? Why are the techniques ones that Edward Jenner would instantly recognise? Because there's no money in vaccines. Capitalism doesn't care about helping people or protecting society. It's just about the bottom line. It's more profitable to be defenceless against H5N1 than to be prepared, so that is why you are defenceless. Socialist Europe is in a much better situation. However desease and pandemics are by their nature a collective defence issue. It will be the weakest link that counts the most and that will be some poor war striken nation perhaps in Africa. Ironically it might even be Iraq --- because their health care has been all but eliminated under the American occupation. Often their water supply is the open sewer. Desease doesn't respect international borders -- far more so than terrorism.

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