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MarcH

"Does The President Have The Authority...To Be The President?"

Of course not. Only the MSM, academics and judges have the right to be President.

GrenfellHunt

The President unquestionably has the Constitutional authority to bomb Iran.

During the Constitutional Convention, the Congress was originally granted the power to "make" war. This was changed to "declare" war on the grounds that in times of crisis a president would do whatever was necessary to defend the country, and it was unwise for the Constitution to try to bind his hands in advance.

The War Powers Resolution of 1973 gives the president power to go to war for up to 90 days in the absence of an express Congressional declaration of war.

http://www.cs.indiana.edu/statecraft/warpow.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

Crusader.NoRegrets.

I fear the Dems would likely obfuscate on the issue of Declaration of War against non-state entities. You can't currently declare war against terrorism, because it goes against your current consitution. Also you can't declare war on individuals either. What the terrorists have discovered is a method of waging war that simply gets around your constitution. Iran will exploit this to the full (it already is) and there isn't a thing you can do about it, because your congress has yet to realise that no war is ever like the previous ones, and for those that have realised it, the constitution has tied their hands.

I never thought I'd say this but: "Damn the constitution". America, you're fighting a new kind of war. Get dirty and win, or be prepared to lose BIG. This war has no rear areas. There is nowhere for your helicopters to run to.

tankerboy

We are in our current poor situation vis-a-vis the world and the War on Terror because we are not at war. If President Bush had asked for a declaration of war against international Islamic based terrorism we wouldn't have all these questions about Gitmo, detentions, etc. We would be at war and a different set of international laws and treaties would apply. See the Laws of Land Warfare as a reference. Destroying a soveriegn government, even one as loathsome as Saddam's, is an act of war. The President has committed the US for a large expenditure of blood and treasure. Now that people realize we are in for a "long slog" the Democrats can start to weasel out of supporting the war because it is "Bush's war". Bombing Iran is an act of war any way you look at it. One of the commenters mentions that Iran and the terrorists are already at war. I agree. They have been and our hands are tied behind our back because we are not. Bombing Iran will result in increased terrorism around the world (assymetric threat) targeted at Americans and their interests. Our representatives need to vote on this.

So what is my solution to Iran? Push for sanctions through the UN and if that fails then pass legislation that says we will not trade with anyone that trades with Iran. That should get China's attention real quick when their cargo doesn't get off-loaded at our ports. Russia is hopeless and base. They are slitting their own throats in dealing with various terrorist regimes. It will blow back on them at some point. We also need to let Iran know that with nuclear energy/weapons come the responsibility to ensure that they are not used for terrorism. I would publically present their representative in the UN our nuclear target list in the event a nuclear or "dirty" weapon is used in Israel, W. Europe, the Western Hemisphere or on any of our signatory allies. This would put the monkey on their back. This promise would work as long as Bush is in office. It may not work with other adminstrations down the road.

Assistant Village Idiot

I have sympathy with both KnightErrant and Crusader's views. Presidents have stretched and bent their war powers for generations. Bush is not a particularly egregious offender, but what presidents now consider standard does not square well with the Constitution. I would prefer a return to a stricter interpretation, but frankly, I don't see that either party is going to take us there.

The best we can realistically hope for at this point is to keep reminding politicians of their previous statements. If they have reasons for a change of heart, lay 'em out. Any president would be wise to get as much buy-in from the opposition party as he can. I don't know how possible this is in our current division.

It's another reason for soritition, the choosing of at least one house of congress by lot from among the eligible voters between 25 and 70 in each district. It will never happen, of course, but keeping in mind why that would be superior is instructive in how we approach our Elected Servants now.

KnightErrant

If you agree with Mr. Bumble (Oliver Twist, Charles Dickens) that "The law is an ass" (or, in this case, the Constitution is an ass), then it doesn't matter. But, that means when President Bush put his hand on a Bible and took the oath of office, his oath was meaningless. The President swore to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution." Not the country, the Constitution. Our Founding Fathers believed that protecting the Constitution was the only way to preserve the country.

cracker-crusader

Even the Nazis allowed the Soviet Ambassador to leave on the eve of Barbarossa...

I'm afraid a cavalier attitude to US embassies helps to obviate most of the discussion on formal declarations of war, doesn't it? What if "doing it legal" meant you lose the war? Or at least costs US lives. I think the US is already at war with Iran, at least the Iranians seem to think so, and now they've got a great loophole in which to attack US targets without fear of a US victory.

KnightErrant

Crusader.NoRegrets: If we are "already at war" then there should be no problem following the law and getting official authorization for war from Congress. Democracy, the Constitution, and basic human propriety require the consultation and consent of the governed before engaging in war in their name and with their blood.

You confused me as well. Where and when has Iran "invaded, occupied and annexed US territory?" If there has been an invasion of US territory, I've kinda missed it. Or, are you still fuming about the embassy takeover a quarter century ago?

I'm not saying Iran is not a dangerous, belligerent state. I am not saying war may not be eventually necessary. I am saying to do it right, do it legal. To answer Alexandra question (slightly rephrased), the President does not have the authority to be king.

Crusader.NoRegrets.

KnightErrant: how about sponsoring proxies to infiltrate sovereign states and kill their unarmed citizens? Invading, occupying and annexing US territory? Repeatedly threatening a sovereign people with genocide? Are those Acts of War? If they aren't, then what's the big deal about dropping bombs and missiles? If they are, the US is already at war, and so no declaration of war is needed, is it? Help out, I'm confused.

Michael van der Galien: what approach would you advocate to dealing with Iran? The things you listed seem to suggest annihilation of Iran, or our surrender are the only two options we have.

KnightErrant

If dropping hundreds of bombs and missiles on a country is not an act of war, what is? The Constitution is quite clear, the representatives of the people, Congress, are solely responsible for deciding whether or not we enter into war. The President, the Command-In-Chief, is solely responsible for the execution of that war.

As President Bush said several years ago, "if this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier." But, it is not a dictatorship. It is a democracy and the rules of our democracy - Congress first in deciding for war - must be observed.

Michael van der Galien

This is getting more serious every day. Everybody should be aware that attack Iran will prove different than attacking Iraq. Iraq was weak when the allied forces decided to attack. Iran is not weak at all. Instead I would venture to say that Iran is the most powerful Arab nation (not talking about Israel) in the Middle-East right now.

If Iran chooses to use force when the US / allied forces attack, the war will be larger than most will anticipate. Just some differences between Iran and Iraq:
- Iran has a very strong and large army
- Iran will not only use soldiers, but terrorists as well

Of course the list goes on and on.

There is also a difference between the regimes an sich. Saddam was not motivated by religion of any kind; the Iranian regime however, is motivated by a religion. Religious extremists like Ahmadinejad must be dealt with in a completely different manner; they fight differently. In the end they do not mind whether every single one of them will be destroyed or not, as long as they destroy their enemy as well. The Saddam regime was fighting to stay alive, so to speak, the Iranian regime will not fight to stay alive, but to destroy the, for instance, US.

The approach is completely different.

The FLY

According to one report, although Tony Blair says that nuclear fuel happy Iran "certainly does sponsor terrorism, there's no doubt about that at all", he has already made the decision to sit this one out. Go figure.

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