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Assistant Village Idiot

There is more than one interpretation of why this unprecedented criticism by high-ranking military is taking place. For Ghost to assume that the only possibility is that there is more reason for criticism is willfully obtuse.

You have to look at both pans of the balancing scales.

Patrick

Huan,

Excellent post in the WSJ. As I have said before, civilians MUST control the military.

Please do not think that this is because the military is full of evil power mad individuals, but because it lets the military focus on being the best hammer possible. It is up to our elected/appointed officials to determine when, where and for how long the hammer is used. The military can give the advice on how best to apply the hammer to a situation, but the hammer should never swing itself. (Just because I can break something, doesn't mean I should.)

Many are familiar with the DIME principle (Diplomatic, Information, Military, and Economic are the 4 elements of National Power used to pressure others and gain our goals throughout the world). You could make the military plan and implement all of four of these, but they would lose the focus. If you have ever had some multifunctional gadget-tool, you will know that it can do many different things, just none of them well. If you are going to handle a big project, do you want a single multi-function gadget, or do you want a full tool box? One will do the job quickly, the other will take longer and generally leaves scraped knuckles.

Transformation. The amount of connotations that has... If you look back, GEN Shenseki was already trying to do transformation (Stryker-IBCT initial 1999 announcement) prior to SEC Rumsfeld's arrival (2001). Let us not denigrate the efforts of SEC Rumsfeld who definately accelerated the process. As with any organization, there are many who see the need for change, and those who are comfortable the way things are.

The Army itself is currently going through its greatest transformation in over a hundred years. Some have characterized it as overhauling your car's engine while driving down the highway. The overhaul was necessary. Why? Because the US Military has shown its mastery of conventional warfare to the point that many countries do not even try to field anything like a conventional force anymore. Most have shifted to an asymmetric model of warfare. As a counterpoint to this, you might be interested in a Ralph Peters article in the April Armed Forces Journal titled "Bloodless theories, bloody wars".

Back to the public dissent. Personality or the manner in which decisions are conveyed should have absolutely no part of this debate. Are the decisions correct or not? Realize that no one always makes the right decision. Remember also that the military is risk averse. Sounds funny, but it is true. Given the opportunity the military will always bring five times more than they think they need mainly because "intelligence is always wrong". Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

SEC Rumsfeld is not risk averse. The decisions he made were his to make. He enjoys the full support of our elected officials. There will never be a clamor within the ranks of the active military for him to step down. This will not prevent many from disagreeing with his approach once they have taken the uniform off, but he is the Secretary of Defense. End of story.

Huan
Some, like Generals Zinni, Newbold, Eaton, Batiste, Swannack, Riggs and others, may not like Secretary Rumsfeld's leadership style. They certainly have the right as private citizens now to speak their minds. Some may feel that he's been unfair, arrogant and autocratic to some senior officers. But those sentiments and feelings are irrelevant. In the end he's the man in charge and the buck stops with him. As long as he retains the confidence of the commander in chief he will make the important calls at the top of the department of defense. That's the way America works. So let's all breathe into a bag and get on with winning the global war against radical Islam. In time the electorate, and history, will grade their decisions.
From a WSJ editorial by 5 other retired generals. This piece is also a good take on the nature of civilian control of the military.
Darrell

Liberals before the war: "We can't invade Iraq! George Bush would never do what is necessary to put a stable government into place. That would require a multi-year commitment--and most likely, the loss of many American lives! We'll pull out as soon as we defeat the Iraqi Army, like we did last time." See Charlie Rose interviews, Sunday morning political shows, circa 2003.

Liberals in April 2006: "Why didn't Bush pull out after we defeated Saddam's army?"

Let's see any of you remain popular with a 24/7 propaganda smear campaign against you! $Billions of negative publicity over six years, conservatively, if it was purchased time!

Skippy-san

Sadly Shinseki was right. You can not convince me that we would have been worse off in Iraq than we are now. Overwhelming combat power applied without mercy on Iraqi cities and infratstrcutre would have made it harder for the insurgents to hide. It would have destroyed more of Iraq to be sure, but hell the country needed the urban renewal anyway.

RL

it should be noted that General Batiste, and approximately between 80 - 90 % of Officers in the US Armed Forces regularly vote Repbulican, and that General Batiste voted for President George W. Bush twice. None of these critical Generals are "liberals" in the sense of the post-Christian, postmodern, and totally bastardized definition of this word. If any of you are aware of any "liberal" Generals in the USMC, or any "liberal" former Centcom Commanders (centcom.mil), would you please be so kind as to inform me of this unique and unusual aberration, and exception from the norm. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
I've never heard of any military man refer to General Shinseki as a "fool"; because he clearly isn't one. He is an honorable and patriotic General, who served his country with honor and a very high level of integrity. i salute him.

Was General Shinseki's pre-war analysis/estimation wrong ?


Ghost Dansing

Rumsfeld and this entire Republican administration has been militarily unsound on the issue of Iraq. They've been proven wrong again and again, and will emerge from the conflict with little to show but a massive expenditure of American blood and resources.

The retired-General's criticism is unprecedented, because the incompetence is unprecedented...unless one believes this Republican administration has managed to replicate every mistake of the Vietnam era, and then some.

To think that this Republican administration that has practiced abject cronyism in every other aspect of government, has not and is not practicing cronyism in the Military is naive.

History will long review how America made the same errors in Vietnam and Iraq within a generation, trading the arrogant wire-rimmed Robert McNamara for the arrogant, obtuse, wire-rimmed Donald Rumsfeld.

Dubya's pretense — that he was just following the advice of the military when he endorsed Rummy's inadequate troop levels — rings hollow and is an obvious lie now that the former generals have spoken out about the defense secretary's policy of coercion. Heck, convinced Iraq was all but won, Rummy prodded Franks to cancel the final Army division in the war plan, the First Cavalry Division.

Tom White, the former Army secretary, told Michael Gordon and Bernard Trainor for "Cobra II," their Iraq war history; "Rumsfeld just ground Franks down...the nature of Rumsfeld is that you just get tired of arguing with him."

The bully-boys from the Political Party of Bullyism was just doing its thing.

Anyone who challenged the administration was painted as traitorous, so why not respected military leaders?

With his Pentagon advisers Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, Rummy set up a State Department within the Defense Department in 2002, to run diplomacy, and established their own CIA within the Defense Department to ferret out "evidence" of a Saddam-Al Qaeda link, when the real C.I.A. couldn't.

Finally, they set up their own Defense Department within the Defense Department, snatching back power from a military establishment they felt had grown too cautious about risking troops in combat.

I think it all goes back to Veterans voting for draft dodgers and chickenhawks just because they were "Republicans".

I wouldn't have expected any better performance from Dubya, Dick and Rummy...wonder why they did?

Note: The comment about "draft dodgers" is reserved for Dubya and Dick. Rumsfeld served in the U.S. Navy from 1954 to 1957 as an aviator and flight instructor. In 1957, he transferred to the Ready Reserve and continued his Naval service in flying and administrative assignments as a drilling reservist until 1975. He transferred to the Standby Reserve when he became Secretary of Defense in 1975 and to the Retired Reserve with the rank of Navy Captain in 1989.

One just wonders how he became so incompetent on a lot of things where he should have known better.

bdunbar

Consider Spotlight Sims who fought the Navy establishment at the turn of the last century for gunnery drills and ships that could fight. He might have been cashiered but for personal support from T. Roosevelt. Consider Isherwood who was drummed out of the Navy for his views on engineering. Doolittle who fought the good fight for airpower.

All serving officers who stood in the door over what was right.

The differences between Sims, Isherwood, Doolittle and these guys was that the former put their careers on the line. These guys .. they waited until after retirement and a pension to speak up.

I can't respect a general officer who 'just follows orders' until it's safe to speak up. If this is the way they felt at the time it was their obligation to stand in the door and resign if they had to get the point across. This is the price you pay for the privlege of flag rank.

If you can't respect them why would you listen to them?

weekenderman

The very fact the liberals dislike Rumsfeld (including liberal retired generals -- are there ONLY six of those??) causes me to like the man even more. If he was not an effective person they would not give a rip if he stays.

neo-neocon

I've been thinking about Rumsfeld, too. To the best of my recollection, wasn't he already persona non grata with most of the entrenched military, even before 9-11? (I can't find links on that subject in a quick search, but I remember reading a piece saying as much quite some time ago). Hadn't he already ruffled a lot of feathers? It may be (if my recollection is correct), that only now do the generals feel bold enough--perhaps because of a perception that Bush and Rumsfeld's popularity are at a low ebb-- to do what they've been chafing at the bit to do for the whole time Rumsfeld has been in office.

The Heretik

Liberals may not fear the "success" of George Bush, but rather a costly failure which was quite bold upon entry to Iraq, but which has shown little capability of dealing with certain realities... Liberals have a fear what was sold as short and sweet instead has soured rather quickly. So we continue slouching towards Anbar.

North by Northwest

Congratulations, Alexandra.

Your post has caused me to change my view on Rumsfeld by 180°. That doesn't mean to say that I think Rumsfeld is without fault; far from it. But it does mean, that I have found a new perspective, which I hitherto hadn't considered; it means that no SOD could have been without fault in this fluid and unpredictable campaign, but that Rumsfeld's particular style and characteristics may well have been what was needed at the given time. To bring this to the fore surely must be one of the finest achievements a blogger can hope for.

Happy Easter to you and to all my fellow commenters and readers.

RL

Ciao Alexandra, i wonder how much his(Rumsfeld's) spiteful and poor decision to not attend General Shinseki's
(a well-liked and very popular General at The Pentagon) retirement ceremony, has to do with this unprecedented public criticism and rebuke of an active SecDef from six retired generals. This is a total and unprecedented departure from the DOD's long-standing unwritten traditions, and ought to be a serious cause for concern.
i also think that it is very safe to say that this has nothing to do with partisan-politics.

God Bless and protect all of the courageous and patriotic men and women in the US Armed Forces.
in Jesus' Mighty Name, Amen.

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