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Kenny Pierce

Alexandra,

I think the biggest problem the Senate has is this idea that they have to solve the whole problem now. They do not.

At the very least, I think the following are nonnegotiables:

1. You can't give illegals a better deal than you give citizens.

2. You can't give illegals a better deal than you give people who go to the immense amount of trouble and inconvenience required to respect our immigration laws by following the legal procedures.

3. You can't give the corrupt and despicable government of Mexico anything remotely resembling input into our policies for dealing with their massive refugee problem.

4. You can't offer non-citizens net government benefits at the expense of people who are citizens and are here legally.

I think by far the best thing to do right now would be to tighten up the borders and the employer enforcement dramatically, including a fence from sea to sea, and to make it a federal offense with mandatory jail time for any state or local officials to adopt sanctuary policies of any form. I would add further that it becomes a requirement in any criminal case for the residency status of the criminal to be established, with automatic deportation and permanent ineligibility for immigration if a person is found to have committed a crime while here illegally. But I would not go to a lot of trouble to hunt down those who are here -- I would just make it clear that if we happen to find you here illegally, we kick you out and you don't ever get to come back.

After waiting a year or two to see what effects this bill had, I would proceed greatly to reduce the barriers to legal immigration of low-risk persons, but with the caveat that no transfer programs (welfare, etc.) nor tax exemptions (earned income credit, etc.) would be available to persons who are not citizens. You would be welcome in this country as long as you were going to pay your own way.

After giving ourselves some more time to learn from the real-life consequences of that legislation, then I'd get serious about hunting down and kicking out the illegals who were still here.

I would not support, under any circumstances, legal residency for people who had arrived here illegally unless they went back home and went through the legal process along with everybody else. However, because the current process is insane and amounts to cruel and unusual punishment for the grave crime of respecting our laws, I would NOT aggressively pursue deportation of quietly law-abiding (in other respects) illegals until the legal immigration process had been very dramatically reformed indeed.

Still forming these views, as you know...

Ptrriot Watch

RE: GRINGOMAN WARNING
To give you the benefit of any doubt is to say that you have no idea what you are dealing with here.
Wedeen is French, not Canadian, and is working with a french broad left coalition for the seperatism of Quebec from Canada. The PQ has granted him residency despite anglo-canadian pressure to deport him. He is spearheading a campaign seeking support and funding for Quebec seperatism in latin America by exploiting the catholicity and left politics. His aim is not to create an independant Quebec that is not under French control.
Your friend Edwards is an attorney now representing the group of 71 spanish and francophone nations, funded by Chavez, in an effort at the Hague to have the POTUS branded as a war criminal. Married to the daughter of one of Mao's most trusted generals, Edwards sucessfully argued in Madrid for the extridition of Pinochet. More recently he convinced the Spanish High Court to call for the arrest of certain US troops in connection with the death of a spanish journalist. Now he had the audacity to host an anti-american fundraiser for leftists in Mexico and France, including the mexican socialist candidate for president Lopez-Obrador, in exchange for left political solidarity in seeing Bush tried in europe as a criminal. All of this took place in Mexico within 50 miles of the US border. Wedeen brought The head of PCF from Paris, Olivier Besancenot while Edwards hosted a who's who of South Americas left at his Baja villa,
Edwards also teaches law in Chile and Mexico. He is a scholar on translation of spanish latin literature into english and he maintains close ties with academia worldwide.
It strains credulity that these commies would just land on your blog unless you are in on their clever campaign or unless Gringoman was part of the action. In fact, readers of the GRINGOMAN.COM blog can see where Gringoman was invited to these meetings both in Mexico and in Chile.

gringoman

Patriot Watch to Gringoman:

WARNING! We suspect the GRINGOMAN.COM website to be a fifth column. Gringoman stakes out outlandish positions which appear conservative. However he acts as a foil for a anti-americans, one French and the other from Argentina. These two run intellectual circles around the Gringoman in order to ridicule the decency of our movement.
Gringoman also posts homoerotic portraits which he paints and he has posted photos of his own vacation encounters graphically under the name of GRINGOLANDIA.
These three leftists have been mocking US values for some time and your readers should not be fooled.
A consevative blogger "AMERICAN PRINCESS" has caught on and banned GRINGOMAN and ordered the he drop his link to her site.
This GRINGOMAN is a real COINTELPRO operation.

Posted by: Patriot Watch | Friday, May 26, 2006 at 10:10 PM

Gringoman to Patriot Watch:

Frankly, you don't seem worth it, but in deference to Alexandra's fine site, I'll bother to reply to your stupid rant nevertheless.

1. Try to remember: Allthingsbeautiful is an adult site. If you want to do a "hit" on someone and be taken seriously, do it seriously. Save your evidence-free spittle like "This GRINGOMAN is a real COINTELPRO operation" for places like DU or The Daily Moulitsas. The kidz there will appreciate it.

2. I won't follow your tack of making charges without proof or evidence. So I won't call you a lefty playing righty, or vice versa, or whether you do it for free or not. Maybe you're simply exactly what you come on as: a steamed-up nasty half-wit. Let your screed speak for itself.

3. You say "We suspect...." Who and what do you mean by 'we'? By 'we' do you mean you and that other being in the mirror?

4. As for your idiotic reference to the two "anti-Americans" who comment at my weblog, I can see that you've been doing some homework. Unfortunately, your reading skills aren't up to the task. If they were, you might have understood the polemics going on between myself and the two lefty legalniki who I call "The Comradely Couple" i.e.. the Chilean Edwards I call "Professor Comrade Eduardos" and his frothy-mouthed Canadian bud I've dubbed a "Cana-kook." ( Incidentally, FYI, the anti-American Cana-kook has already been immortalized by Alexandra as "Phillip Weezel.") Maybe you need more than just remedial English. You seem to be sucking your oxygen in an irony-free zone.

5. Thank you for the unwitting compliment about my so-called "homoerotic" painting, but you really should be directing it to the master of the greco-roman original. I trust you're referring to the illustration for "Is George Bush Over?" Did you miss the advisory for that illustration? It suggested guidance for minors and morons. (Tip: Allthingsbeautiful is not the best place for you to knock a painting as "homoerotic" rather than focus on matters like the modeling, the chiaroscuro, the tones, the space, the brush work etc etc. Unless, with a handle like "Patriot" (phoney or otherwise) you wish to come across as a boobus conservatatus.)

6. As for "American Princess," your involvement here does make me wonder whether you do this for free. I mean, it indicates that you've done a little follow-up work--just enough to add slander to your stupidity. The young lady you try to use is very bright and writes well too. I had been posting at her site for a while, although never that frequently. Then I stopped for about two months. Suddenly some issue came up, and I dropped in a comment, adding a little filip about somebody's "invention" etc which I said would not have been by her (AP). Apparently she took it the wrong way. It must have offended her sense of secure, competent adulthood. She immediately emailed me that I was not "welcome" at her site. Now it was my turn to be offended, since it came out of the blue, with no warning or explanation. At which point I let her know, politely, that she needn't worry, that I never ever post where I do not feel welcome. Anybody who knows me would know that. She never "ordered me" (in your lying words) not to link to her blog. Neither of us ever mentioned it. In fact, I kept the link up for about a week afterwards, and then decided to take it down. (If you have any evidence for your stupid slander, why not produce it?)

6. In fact, since you're presenting yourself as an excited expert on what is phony and who is politically correct (either from the left or from the right) why don't you give the folks a little look on what you are or who you or what you do on the Internet. That way you might allay the suspicion that you're nothing but a cheap drive-by troll who is clearly out of his depth.


Patriot Watch

WARNING! We suspect the GRINGOMAN.COM website to be a fifth column. Gringoman stakes out outlandish positions which appear conservative. However he acts as a foil for a anti-americans, one French and the other from Argentina. These two run intellectual circles around the Gringoman in order to ridicule the decency of our movement.
Gringoman also posts homoerotic portraits which he paints and he has posted photos of his own vacation encounters graphically under the name of GRINGOLANDIA.
These three leftists have been mocking US values for some time and your readers should not be fooled.
A consevative blogger "AMERICAN PRINCESS" has caught on and banned GRINGOMAN and ordered the he drop his link to her site.
This GRINGOMAN is a real COINTELPRO operation.

gringoman

X to Gringo:

The previous comment is the most disgustingly, hypocritically nihilistic thing I have ever heard a right-winger say.

Gringo, are you a John Bircher?

Posted by: x | Friday, May 26, 2006 at 01:26 PM


Gringo to X.

No, are you a Soros worker? And do you have anything of substance or analytical to say, something that might suggest elementary brain matter? Or do you just screech from the troll playbook?


rich

WHAT ABOUT MINORITY PREFERENCES?

One item that has not come up in discussions of the immigration bill is how 12 million new hispanic citizens will affect minority preference programs across the United States.

Twelve million new citizen hispanics will either make minority preference programs more competitive, denying present american minority citizens their chance to participate in the american dream, or it will expand those eligible for minority preference by 12 million, requiring 12 million majority citizens to defer their opportunity to participate in the american dream. All for persons who were not in the USA and therefore could not have been subject to american discrimination.

The issue of whether illegal immigrants who are minorities should be eligible for minority preference programs is another part of this issue that has not been discussed.

Make no mistake, these 12 million new hispanic citizens will not be required to go to the end of the line when it comes to minority preferences.

Minority preferences pervade all areas of our society: education, jobs, government contracts. Minority preferences for the new citizens should be addessed.

As to what can be done, it is difficult to see anyone up for election that voted for this bill. They knew better. But someone should pay for this travesty. One thing that can be asked of those in the Senate who are up for election is for them to pledge to replace Arlen Specter as chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Specter is proud to be responsible for this bill. He should be held accountable and removed.

x

The previous comment is the most disgustingly, hypocritically nihilistic thing I have ever heard a right-winger say.

Gringo, are you a John Bircher?

gringoman

While the White House has shown more interest in guarding Iraq's borders than our own (with stellar performance in neither); while cheap-vote Dems, lackadaisical liberals and cheap-worker GloboPubs unite for the coming BalkAmerica (after a grand funeral for Old Glory, attended by CFR and UN dignitaries in their Chinese limos)) and the mullahs and the Beijingers and the guevaranomes look at such infidels and observe what used to be a national will, even gringoVision---in flashes of non-pessimism---would like to be proven wrong when entertaining the query, "Is George Bush Over?" and the assertion that he is "Our First Mexican President."

RL

"Mexifornia" by Victor Davis Hanson

"It's deja-vu all over again." Yogi Berra

eye-opening, interesting, and sobering short-films on this topic(illegal hispanic immigration) at the following links,

onthefencefilms.com
immigrationwatchdog.com

i hope that the House of Reps. doesn't allow the disaster that has happened to beautiful southern California(bankruptcy, in more ways than just the State's financial-variety), to happen to the rest of the border States.

God Bless you Alexandra.

"It Never Rains in Southern California" Tony Toni Tone


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