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probligo

I see two parts here...

"Freedom Of Religion Not Freedom From Religion"

At its most fundamental, I would not have any problem with the sentiment.

I DO have a problem if Religion, one religion in particular, were to become the political system of my country. If I were American, I would still be fearful of that prospect. Bear in mind here that I believe very, very strongly in the idea of secular government. That belief has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I am atheist. As Islam has shown over the past four or five centuries, and as Christianity showed in Europe at least until the time of the Magna Carta and even into the Renaissance (remember Galileo?), the direct influence and involvement of religion in government is most probably the most stifling influence to the overall development of humankind that one can imagine.

The second part is the "war" between religious factions in the US. I have to say at this point that "atheism" in the US, at least the small part that I see through the great lens of the internet, seems to be as much a fundamentalist, formulaic and radicalised system of beliefs as any of the formal religions. I am sitting here composing this and out to the right is Magritte's "Ceci n'est pas une pipe". I wonder - if one were to write "Atheism" on a piece of paper and the words "This is not the absence of a religion" beneath would it still make sense?

Suffice to say that the battle between religion and non-religion is not the battle that needs to be fought. That is no more than the conflict between individuals and their own prejudice and intolerance.

In no circumstances should a state become a "Christian State" in the same way that Islam has (for some centuries past) become the system of government in other states.

Why not?

Look no further than Iran.

Oh, and for those who have lost family members in any war, my thoughts go with you this day.

GM Roper

Thank you for the tear shed for my remembrance of my dad. He was one of the truly great patriots and I do miss him so much.

Angel

Excellent read!..Its shocking and shameful that religion is steadily being exorcised from our Nation. Thanks for the link as well!

Darrell

There's a piece of the puzzle missing in the above. A judge has ruled that the city CANNOT transfer the land to the federal gov't. Time for the city to sell the land to a private citizen/group. Bill Gates are you listening? Or are you too much of a weenie? How about the good citizen of California targeting those judges for extinction? And to clarify, I mean take them away from their jobs.

North by Northwest

Ultimately it all comes down to the elevation of the importance assigned to the perception of "self-importance". I say 'self-importance' and not the often misused term 'individualism', because the principle of being independent and self-reliant stands in stark contrast to a distorted and exaggerated sense of one's own value or importance.

The latter causes people with most often unhappy religious memories and experiences during earlier parts of their life to believe, that society 'owes' them compensation in the form of deference to said unhappy memories. If religious subjects and symbols were not causing emotionally charged reactions but were viewed with a merely neutral or even disinterested slant, this whole issue wouldn't exist.

It thus follows, that Phillip Paulsen, an atheist who filed the original suit backed by the ACLU in 1989 to have the cross removed, must have been pretty emotionally charged to go that far.

Which begs the question, why are the emotions of a Phillip Paulsen weighed heavier than those of a 76% majority, including that of the Mayor of San Diego?

Francis W. Porretto

The viciousness of the anti-religion forces, and the ruthlessness of the ACLU, have seldom been more clearly displayed. What of the many thousands of crosses that mark veterans' graves in publibly maintained cemeteries? Will they be next?

The time has come to recognize that our backs are to the wall. We have to stand and fight, or see atheism become, to all appearances, the sole acceptable religion for display in the United States.

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