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Aidan

CRITICS OF ISRAEL ARE NOT IMMEDIATELY ANTI-SEMITES, YOU IDIOT.
there are jews amongst them, and most just want to see an end to the turmoil of the middle east, a turmoil which is being escalated by disproportionate israeli attacks on mostly civilians. just check the death toll from any reliable source.

gabrielpicasso

It should be apparent to anyone looking honestly at the situation, that when the world said "Never Again" they meant they would never again come to the aid or defense of Isreal, or Jewish people anywhere.

Kenny Pierce

Can't believe I left Gringoman off my list up there...just goes to show you. I'm not sure what it goes to show you, but no doubt sumpin'.

Kenny Pierce

Michael, Mac,

Hey, come on, guys, stop pulling your punches. Tell us how you really feel.

Kenny Pierce

Alexandra,

Have you gone over and read the comments on that Cooper blog post I mentioned the other day? (You will be shocked -- shocked! -- to hear that my own comment explaining precisely why Hezbollah are terrorists and Israel is not, was not posted.) The level of moral obtuseness on display is even more frightening in the comments than in the original post.

Will send you something else by private e-mail in a moment in case you'd like to take some of it for a NewsBusters post...the media handling of this case is going to cry out for a NewsBusting, I think, and I have a suspicion you're already at work on something appropriate. Might I suggest to the regulars in general, and to Patrick and Michael and Crusader and Jess in particular, that if you guys see any outrageous examples of media mishandling of this case, you forward them on to Alexandra? Her NewsBusters platform is a fairly powerful thing, and the constant attempt by the media to spin the truth away from an awareness of the fact that the faultlines of the Muslim Civil War run throughout America, and that Americans can at any moment become casualties of that war, is something that desperately needs to be fought, as I think many of us here passionately agree. Alexandra has earned a place in the front lines and I think passing her the ammo would be an eminently useful thing to do.

(Should mention that I chose those names not on the basis of who are my favorite commentors, but because of their apparent interest in the Muslim question. Michael, I'd be especially interested in the reaction of the European media, which I -- based purely on snarky prejudice and with no real evidence to work on -- predict will pretty much entirely ignore this tragedy unless it can find a way to spin it as showing that America is a big fat failure plus we all have pimples and talk too loudly and wear those tasteless cowboy hats. ;-) )

Michael van der Galien

Ha, Mac, good aggressive rant. I'm afraid that I'm beginning to feel like that more and more these days. The fake victim mentality of those countries is a pain in the butt. The fact that they teach their children to hate 'infidels' is so obvious that I have enough of everyone who tries to ignore it.
I'm also pissed off by anyone who even tries to put this famous moral equivalence stuff on me. It's a fake reasoning as Alexandra explained so wonderfully: one of the main differences is that its not Israel's goal to kill civilians, in fact she does everything in her power to prevent it while dedicated to destroy Hizbullah. Those muderers thugs from Hizbullah, however, give a rat's ass about civilian lives: they purposely target civilians.
Moral equivalence my booty.

Also, something to say to the anti-Israel crowd, as I wrote at The Moderate Voice in response to what a commenter said:

A couple of the differences are: A- Israel is not the aggressor B- Those people attack a sovereign state (that's not attacking them first, see #1) while not being a state themselves, but merely a terrorist organization C- The goal of Hamas et al is illegal, namely to destroy a sovereign nation, whose right of existence is recognized by the international community. While Israel's goal, destroying terrorist organzations that threaten her safety is not illegal at all. D- The difference is that Israel warns those civilians because she doesn't want to kill civilians. Then when she attacks she again tries to limit civilian casualties. In short, Israel warns them for their own sake - removing them is not a goal an sich. After the fighting they're most welcome to come back. Whereas Hamas and Hizbullah simply want to destroy Israel. They give the civilians a choise: leave: dead or alive. If those civilians don't listen to their demands (again difference), these terrorist organizations deliberately target and kill civilians.

Or as I like to say, they're comparing rotten apples to oranges.

Man, I could go on and on, I'm pissed off by this ridiculous attitude by so many people who have the freaking guts to call themselves 'liberals'. They should call themselves what they are: socialist scum. Anti-semite idiots.

mac Brachman

Dear Alexandra:

I'd post at greater length but I'm having trouble containing my rage this a.m. (Sat.); before I went to your blog I caught the headline about a Muslim attack on a Jewish center in Seattle. I would like the Muslims to tell me that they are not all murderous sociopaths. I would like them to tell me that they, like the Hitlerian Germans and the Poles before them, don't feed Jew-hatred to their young from birth or earlier, in utero. One is dead and five injured in the Seattle attack. We are told that the parents of Haq, the scumbag who carried out this unprovoked outrage, are "grief-stricken." I assume it is only because of the shame in the public eye, not because they have remorse for what their evil son has committed. Here is my take: Islam and its adherents from all available evidence worship power, fetishize land and objects, and believe in no God beyond the one of power and dominance. Their cult of violence, hate, and murder is a template for all who follow, like Charlie Manson, may he rot in hell. They do not believe in guilt, in the idea that you should feel bad when you do bad things. they believe only in their infantile narcissism: if I don't get what I want when I want it, I kill. If I've screwed up my part of the world, it is somebody else's (Western "imperialists," Jews, always the Jews) fault. If I agree to a compromise (like the 1947 U.N. partition plan dividing the British Palestine mandate into Jewish and Arab nations) it is only to bide my time until I have the strength to destroy my enemy and have my way. Are these people ever capable of the still small voice (that was the name of a book I read in religious school in my reform Jewish education) that says doing these things is just plain wrong? Or has it been this way since Muhammad, a self-aggrandizing paranoid of the first degree, first had his differences with the Meccan community 14 centuries ago. Tell me Islam and Muslims are different than this. Go on, tell me. Just try.

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