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mac brachman

Alexandra: Is "Enlightenment" the new name for R.L.? I thought he'd been expelled from this blog...
"Enlightment," whoever you are; go peddle your theories somewhere else; maybe Michael Moore is looking for a scenarist for his next pack of lies, er, movie. Shalom, Mac Brachman

Enlightenment

One thing that struck me as odd in the days after 9/11 was Bush saying "We will not tolerate conspiracy theories [regarding 9/11]". Sure enough there have been some wacky conspiracy theories surrounding the events of that day. The most far-fetched and patently ridiculous one that I've ever heard goes like this: Nineteen hijackers who claimed to be devout Muslims but yet were so un-Muslim as to be getting drunk all the time, doing cocaine and frequenting strip clubs decided to hijack four airliners and fly them into buildings in the northeastern U.S., the area of the country that is the most thick with fighter bases. After leaving a Koran on a barstool at a strip bar after getting shitfaced drunk on the night before, then writing a suicide note/inspirational letter that sounded like it was written by someone with next to no knowledge of Islam, they went to bed and got up the next morning hung over and carried out their devious plan. Nevermind the fact that of the four "pilots" among them there was not a one that could handle a Cessna or a Piper Cub let alone fly a jumbo jet, and the one assigned the most difficult task of all, Hani Hanjour, was so laughably incompetent that he was the worst fake "pilot" of the bunch. Nevermind the fact that they received very rudimentary flight training at Pensacola Naval Air Station, making them more likely to have been C.I.A. assets than Islamic fundamentalist terrorists. So on to the airports. These "hijackers" somehow managed to board all four airliners with their tickets, yet not even ONE got his name on any of the flight manifests. So they hijack all four airliners and at this time passengers on United 93 start making a bunch of cell phone calls from 35,000 feet in the air to tell people what was going on. Nevermind the fact that cell phones wouldn't work very well above 4,000 feet, and wouldn't work at ALL above 8,000 feet. But the conspiracy theorists won't let that fact get in the way of a good fantasy. That is one of the little things you "aren't supposed to think about". Nevermind that one of the callers called his mom and said his first and last name, more like he was reading from a list than calling his own mom. Anyway, when these airliners each deviated from their flight plan and didn't respond to ground control, NORAD would any other time have followed standard operating procedure (and did NOT have to be told by F.A.A. that there were hijackings because they were watching the same events unfold on their own radar) which means fighter jets would be scrambled from the nearest base where they were available on standby within a few minutes, just like every other time when airliners stray off course. But of course on 9/11 this didn't happen, not even close. Somehow these "hijackers" must have used magical powers to cause NORAD to stand down, as ridiculous as this sounds because total inaction from the most high-tech and professional Air Force in the world would be necessary to carry out their tasks. So on the most important day in its history the Air Force was totally worthless. Then they had to make one of the airliners look like a smaller plane, because unknown to them the Naudet brothers had a videocamera to capture the only known footage of the North Tower crash, and this footage shows something that is not at all like a jumbo jet, but didn't have to bother with the South Tower jet disguising itself because that was the one we were "supposed to see". Anyway, as for the Pentagon they had to have Hani Hanjour fly his airliner like it was a fighter plane, making a high G-force corkscrew turn that no real airliner can do, in making its descent to strike the Pentagon. But these "hijackers" wanted to make sure Rumsfeld survived so they went out of their way to hit the farthest point in the building from where Rumsfeld and the top brass are located. And this worked out rather well for the military personnel in the Pentagon, since the side that was hit was the part that was under renovation at the time with few military personnel present compared to construction workers. Still more fortuitous for the Pentagon, the side that was hit had just before 9/11 been structurally reinforced to prevent a large fire there from spreading elsewhere in the building. Awful nice of them to pick that part to hit, huh? Then the airliner vaporized itself into nothing but tiny unidentifiable pieces no bigger than a fist, unlike the crash of a real airliner when you will be able to see at least some identifiable parts, like crumpled wings, broken tail section etc. Why, Hani Hanjour the terrible pilot flew that airliner so good that even though he hit the Pentagon on the ground floor the engines didn't even drag the ground!! Imagine that!! Though the airliner vaporized itself on impact it only made a tiny 16 foot hole in the building. Amazing. Meanwhile, though the planes hitting the Twin Towers caused fires small enough for the firefighters to be heard on their radios saying "We just need 2 hoses and we can knock this fire down" attesting to the small size of it, somehow they must have used magical powers from beyond the grave to make this morph into a raging inferno capable of making the steel on all forty-seven main support columns (not to mention the over 100 smaller support columns) soften and buckle, then all fail at once. Hmmm. Then still more magic was used to make the building totally defy physics as well as common sense in having the uppermost floors pass through the remainder of the building as quickly, meaning as effortlessly, as falling through air, a feat that without magic could only be done with explosives. Then exactly 30 minutes later the North Tower collapses in precisely the same freefall physics-defying manner. Incredible. Not to mention the fact that both collapsed at a uniform rate too, not slowing down, which also defies physics because as the uppermost floors crash into and through each successive floor beneath them they would shed more and more energy each time, thus slowing itself down. Common sense tells you this is not possible without either the hijackers' magical powers or explosives. To emphasize their telekinetic prowess, later in the day they made a third building, WTC # 7, collapse also at freefall rate though no plane or any major debris hit it. Amazing guys these magical hijackers. But we know it had to be "Muslim hijackers" the conspiracy theorist will tell you because (now don't laugh) one of their passports was "found" a couple days later near Ground Zero, miraculously "surviving" the fire that we were told incinerated planes, passengers and black boxes, and also "survived" the collapse of the building it was in. When common sense tells you if that were true then they should start making buildings and airliners out of heavy paper and plastic so as to be "indestructable" like that magic passport. The hijackers even used their magical powers to bring at least seven of their number back to life, to appear at american embassies outraged at being blamed for 9/11!! BBC reported on that and it is still online. Nevertheless, they also used magical powers to make the american government look like it was covering something up in the aftermath of this, what with the hasty removal of the steel debris and having it driven to ports in trucks with GPS locators on them, to be shipped overseas to China and India to be melted down. When common sense again tells you that this is paradoxical in that if the steel was so unimportant that they didn't bother saving some for analysis but so important as to require GPS locators on the trucks with one driver losing his job because he stopped to get lunch. Hmmmm. Yes, this whole story smacks of the utmost idiocy and fantastical far-fetched lying, but it is amazingly enough what some people believe. Even now, five years later, the provably false fairy tale of the "nineteen hijackers" is heard repeated again and again, and is accepted without question by so many Americans. Which is itself a testament to the innate psychological cowardice of the American sheeple, i mean people, and their abject willingness to believe something, ANYTHING, no matter how ridiculous in order to avoid facing a scary uncomfortable truth. Time to wake up America.

LilMissIndie

Karen, I would like to believe that Dr. Rice meant that also, but the word "humiliating" is what convinced me that she was trying to tell the Palestinians that she "feels their pain" because they don't have their own State. I don't, however, think there was hidden meeting, just the proverbial poor choice of words, unless she has been dispatched to leave secretly-coded messages in all her speeches:

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/10/afa/162006a.asp

She referred to someone's partner's mother as his "mother-in-law". Maybe the administration needs to give her a refresher course on how to stay on message.

karen

"The Palestinian people deserve a better life, a life that is rooted in liberty, democracy, uncompromised by violence and terrorism, unburdened by corruption and misrule and forever free of the daily humiliation of occupation," she said. "I promise you my personal commitment to that goal."

When i read this statement by Dr. Rice, i believe she is speaking of the enemy w/in- not Isreal. Thank you, Rich- your comment cements my gut reaction- that she can sit amongst people who wish us to cower and submit, share a meal and small talk- and give them very polite hell.

Maybe there were no hidden meanings, here- maybe my gut is wrong;, but, that is my take. Along w/what Rich says.

rich

Excellent post again!

Israel's security is non-negotiable, and dumb concessions cannot compromise Israel's security.

However, this will only end one of two ways: peace, which means Arabs and Jews living peacefully side by side, or victory for one side.

I think State is charged with the task of keeping the peace option open. Which means dealing with people who have not gotten there and saying there is this other option. At times this is odious, but then diplomacy is odious more ofter than not.

I think keeping the peace option open was the point of this article in the Washington Times by Claude Salhani:

Said Miss Rice: "For decades, Hamas dwelled in the shadows, able to hijack the future of all Palestinians at will, without ever having to answer for its actions. Today, however, the Palestinian people and the international community can hold Hamas accountable. And Hamas now faces a hard choice that it has always sought to avoid: Either you are a peaceful political party, or a violent terrorist group -- but you cannot be both."

http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20061020-084918-9495r.htm

Also note the good, if limited, news from Mecca, a fatwa against sectarian violence in Iraq:

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20061020-114437-8883r.htm

Sometimes progress is made by baby steps. And sometimes the baby falls down.

In the real world when the baby falls down, people die. Our job has been to see that the good people do not die.

Red Violin

Dear Mac: You're more than welcome. It looks like we're losing the propaganda war on all fronts. Here are a couple of other links I think you will enjoy:

Pallywood exposed

Revisiting the 1930s with Tony Judt

chrys

Some how I missed this statement. Thank you for providing it here. If I found this some place else - I would have been as angry as you express you were. Can we truly believe, or trust anyone anywhere. (not a question)

One fact sticks in my mind. Israel (created by the United Nations) is the only Jewish state in the entire world. Seems that there are MANY Islamic states. [This comment contained a large amount of TMI which I have kindly removed.]

gringoman

Let me get this straight. Commenters here still see much more than a spitoon's worth of difference between the Republicans and the Democrats? As for high-level femi-flunkeys who are considered diplomatic jokes in much if not most of the world, SecState Condi Rice--despite her sympathetic background-- is she really much better than the Clintonite errand girl, Madeline Notsobright, who after menopause discovered her Jewishness and who thrilled to the kiddies dancing in starving North Korea where she gave good non-threatening mommy dialogue to Little Kim who promised tobehave?

By the way, I believe I'd like Miss Rice personally, and would enjoy her pianistically, but let's get real here. She doesn't make policy. Her boss is the "decider." He is also a wonderful example of how Republicans morph not only into Democrats, but also into full-fledged Dhimmicrats.

But if events at Quantico Marine Base haven't convinced you, possibly nothing will. In that celebrated home of a legendary American fighting force(now ordered to act as house-to-house cops in Iraq's urban hell) the multi-culturals have now installed an Islamic shrine or prayer center, with expansion plans for the future. This has been blessed by top Pentagon desk jockeys attending with members of CAIR, a spin-off of the Islamic Association for Palestine, believed to be a Hamas front-group, the Leatherneck chapel overseen by Navy Lt. Abuhena Mohammed Saifulislam,(a Wahabbi-trained gentleman U.S. citizen, one of whose mentors has been FBI-identified as contributing $50, 000 for suicide bombing), everyone under the jurisdiction or management of SecDef Donald Rumsfeld who is under the management of the President who has been seen walking hand-in-hand with Saudi Prince Bandar who agrees with them all, Pub and Dem alike, that "Islam is a religion of peace."

Now tell me about Condi and the Palestinians.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51534

http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial_s&hl=en&q=Quantico+Marine+Islam&btnG=Google+Search

mac brachman

Red Violin: Thanks for the link about Jewish refugees from Arab nations. It is estimated that about 1 million Arab Jews were disenfranchised, their businesses and homes vandalized and stolen from them, and most forced out of their native lands following the establishment of Israel in 1948. You will hear until doomsday on BBC, the Economist, the NYT, and most of the rest of the MSM about the "plight" of the Palestinians since 1948 (conveniently ignoring the fact that Egypt, Syria, and Jordan controlled many of the territories in which they settled for 19 years, until the Six Day War*) and the routine excoriations of Israel; you will hear or see nothing about the 1 million, almost all of whom were taken in by Israel, besieged and threatened as it was.

* A couple of months ago, I e-mailed Kurt Andersen, co-founder of the defunct parodic magazine Spy, former New Yorker staffer, and now columnist for New York magazine. Andersen had penned a column approvingly quoting the likes of Tony Judt and others who refer to the founding of the modern state of Israel as "a mistake" because it upset the sensibilities of the Arabs and the Muslims in the midst of propounding his view about the "disproportionate" Israeli response to the acts of war perpetrated against its civilian population by Hizbullah during the recent war. I poked fun at Andersen's convenient ignoring of history from 1948-1967, when the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, and the Golan Heights were held by the Arabs. Knowing that Mr. Andersen, like many hip 40-something New York intellectuals, prides himself on having at his mental fingertips all the milestones of the history and popular culture in which Boomers like himself grew up. I stated that, since the years 1948 never existed and the "oppression" of the Palestinians obviously began when Israel (that is, the Jews) began to be so "beastly" to them, that nothing could have happened in those years: the entire film careers of James Dean, Grace Kelly, and Marilyn Monroe never existed; Elvis never had an early career and in fact the first 15 years of rock and roll never happened; JFK was never assassinated; Ike's presidency never occurred; the movies "A Touch of Evil," "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance,' and the cream of Alfred Hitchcock's oeuvre ("Rear Window," "Strangers On A Train," "Vertigo," "North By Northwest," "Psycho," "The Birds") were never released; the Beatles' first album was "Magical Mystery Tour" (in the alternate universe, the one Andersen and his pals reject, "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" was released on June 1, 1967, four days before the start of the Six Day War); Philip Roth's first novel or story published was not "Letting Go" or the "Goodbye Columbus" collection but "When She Was Good," and so on. The years 1948-1967, having disappeared down the Orwellian memory hole of Mr. Andersen's mind and the mind of those of his ilk, none of these things could have happened or existed. Needless to say the good New York intellectual was not amused and furiously insisted that he did not believe Israel did not have a right to exist. Yeah, right, Mr. Andersen; I suppose next you'll endeavor to sell me a bridge they have in Brooklyn...

Shalom, Mac Brachman

Crusader.NoRegrets.

I am sick and tired of enduring the daily insults and humiliations of the Islamic Occupation of the West.

Islamic Occupation forces OUT OF THE WEST NOW!

Red Violin

More Implicit Threat by the madman of Tehran:
Iran warns of revenge over Israel

Red Violin

Alexandra: I'm utterly puzzled at this point that I can't think straight. Here is what I found regarding our official policy toward Iran. So, I guess, the State Department is not as unelighntened as we think:

U.S. Policy toward Iran [Rush Transcript; Federal News Service]
Speaker: R. Nicholas Burns, Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs, U.S. Department of State

Red Violin

Thank you Ann. I hope it helps.

Alexandra
What is she thinking about? What is Bush thinking about? Why do they continue to pursue policies of appeasement with regard to the Islamic terrorists of the Israeli-Arab conflict while pursuing their own war against the Islamic terrorists in Iraq?

Can someone explain the difference?

Well can we?

Ann

What are we doing, if I may ask? What the hell was our Secretary of State doing meeting with the Palestinian terrorists the other day, and now this. "Our policy will stand for nothing soon, and we will stand for nothing", you are right epaminondas.

Nice link about the history of the Jews, Red Violin. You are coming up with some great links lately. Much appreciated.

Gang of One

Rick posts:

You've got to hand it to our State Department. After fifty YEARS of "diplomacy," we've produced the North Korean A-Bomb. Another fifty year effort produced the mid-East "peace process." Most people, given these results, would not have the nerve to show their faces in public. Not so our folks from Foggy Bottom.

I am sure it has been more than 50 years, Rick. More on the scale of 70 to 80 years, as Whitaker Chambers attested to in his autobiography, Witness, which he wrote fifty years ago. In his autobigraphy he clearly names names of Soviet spies, moles, sympathizers and activists -- these people were in Foggy Bottom and in the media then and they are there still. As it is said, there is nothing new under the sun.

epaminondas

"practical terrorism" and "apocalyptic terrorism." HAHAHAHAHAHA ..practical=jews die <> apocalyptic=we die

From the MOMENT James Naker was invited in, it was apparent that George Bush is a BROKEN man.
The project to make democracy an alternative to what otherwise will be IN THE END apocalytpic violence by the USA or it's utter defeat, has been given up to the realpolitik boyz of 1953.

Our business wil be to prop up regressive and repressive dictatorships who will goad their people to hate the ZOG of the USA.

Our policy will stand for NOTHING except stability.
We will stand for nothing.

They only have to be anti jihadi Somozas

My disgust knows no limits

Rick

You've got to hand it to our State Department. After fifty YEARS of "diplomacy," we've produced the North Korean A-Bomb. Another fifty year effort produced the mid-East "peace process." Most people, given these results, would not have the nerve to show their faces in public. Not so our folks from Foggy Bottom.

Goog grief! If 9-11 didn't wake them up, what will? Is it just me, but did anyone else feel "humiliated" when 3,000 of our citizens were murdered in the streets? Was it "humiliating" for the Israelis to have their kids blown up on their way to the disco?

Why would anyone above the level of Middle School believe that peace is even possible after these events? What would "peace" mean after these events?

I sincerely hope Condi was kidding. If she wasn't it's truly a case of the blind leading the blind.

Red Violin

I hope and pray that Dr. Rice is merely utilizing diplomatic language to pacify some of our Arab allies and she knows better than to side with promoters of death over life.


Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Friday predicted that Israel would not survive and that its allies would face the "boiling wrath" of the people if they continued to support the Jewish state.

"This regime (Israel) will be gone, definitely," Ahmadinejad told demonstrators at a national rally to call for Jerusalem to be handed to the Palestinians.

"You (the Western powers) should know that any government that stands by the Zionist regime from now on will not see any result but the hatred of the people," he added. "The wrath of the region's people is boiling."

Ahmadinejad, who has previously called for Israel to be "wiped from the map and described the Holocaust as a "myth," said his warning was an "ultimatum".

And our liberal left is feverishly lobbying (a la Al-NY Times, and Al-Washington Post, Scott Ritter, Gary Sick, Carter et al) to convince the Bush Adminstration that all we have to do is to give the IRI "Security Guarantees" (aka, grand bragain)to make nice with the loons who want to live in a world without zionism and without America.

Alexandra

Francis,

As you know I agree with you, but doomed and destructive is a lethal combination.

Francis W. Porretto

There has never before been an identifiable people so thoroughly psychically destroyed as the Palestinians -- and they did it to themselves.

The Palestinians' entire mindset these past sixty years has been hatred. It's been principally directed at the Israelis, of course, though a fraction has also gone to their external enablers and eggers-on in the surrounding states and in Europe. Rather than improve their own lot by the admittedly difficult route of ground-state enterprise -- plain hard labor at the low tasks of subsistence, cleanliness, and decency -- they've preferred to blame others who are objectively in no way responsible for their state. Any excuse will do, whether its substance is religious, military, economic, or racial, if it might excuse them from responsibility for their own condition.

Hatred of such concentration, sustained for a sufficient interval, consumes the mind. If perpetuated through successive generations, it becomes purer and more corrosive. But the desire to destroy, even if it were justified, can never be the basis for any positive advance. Even if the hater should one day stand triumphant over his enemy's corpse, that corpse is all he'll have -- and corpses tend to acquire companions.

I can see no future for the Palestinians. To me they appear a doomed people.

david foster

Ralph Peters has usefully distinguished between "practical terrorism" and "apocalyptic terrorism." I think it's pretty clear that Palestinian terrorism has for a long time been an example of the latter, and is motivated more by a love of destruction and killing than of any particular outcome. If all the Israelis moved to Texas, does anyone really think that the Palestinian leadership would shift their focus to farms, schools, and factories?

Gang of One

What it comes down to, really, is the same old thing: the Jews are expendable.

juandos

First of all, damned fine site you are running here Ms. A V M...

Regarding Dr. Rice and here pandering to the Palestinian terrorists, well I don't know how to explain just how disappointed I am in her words...

Is there something else going on here and the words are a setup for misdirection? Maybe but I don't think the most folks don't realize that the so called, "Palestinians" have no more business having a, "right" to what's now Israel then illegal aliens have a right to come into the US...

Now if we are talking about the Bedouin instead of the so called, Palestinian then there might be something to discuss...

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